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Deleting comments

Commenters Fred Gregory and jaycee and I have been carrying on a conversation/debate about when comments should be deleted. (Some of the conversation has occurred off-line.)

It was provoked by a particularly offensive comment someone made on this post about Tony Snow's passing.

Fred suggested I delete the comment because it "is beneath contempt." While I don't disagree with his evaluation of the comment, I am reluctant to delete it.

It doesn't expressly violate our terms of use that I can tell. (The terms even warn users that By using the Online Service web sites, you may be exposed to Content that you may find offensive, indecent, inaccurate, misleading, or otherwise objectionable.)

It also pushes me further into the gray area of deciding which comments are contemptible and which aren't. And I am not convinced I am the best judge of that. (Now I pretty much only delete comments that insult other commenters or contain profanity. And I've probably only had to do that a dozen or so times.)

I also think that other readers can judge for themselves the intelligence and value of comments. When someone says something stupid, it usually comes across as stupid.

But I could be wrong. Should I tighten the comment policy?

Comments (16)

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Holden said:

No, and you should widen our ability to post comments - the Burlington Times-Snooze allows posters to comment on individual stories in each of its editions. You also remove (or change) postings too quickly.

John Robinson said:

We're getting closer to comments on stories. It is part of our switchover to Drupal. But we need to get the basics right, first.

What do you mean we "remove (or change) postings too quickly"?

bubba said:

"And I am not convinced I am the best judge of that."

What?

You don't feel you're capable of the high academic and intellectual "integrity" of.............um, certain local self-appointed blogger mavens who practice the fine art of...........er, deleting comments???

jaycee said:

You've removed/deleted my comments and banned me from posting when I neither insulted another commenter nor used profanity.
You just didn't like my characterization of Lorraine Ahearn's reporting on the Wray fiasco, even though others have commented in a similar fashion without being sanctioned by you.
I find it sad that you shield Lorraine Ahearn when she's perfectly capable of defending herself but let vituperous comments about Tony Snow remain when he's dead and unable to defend himself.

John Robinson said:

That's true, jaycee. I did delete your comment, although it is clear you and I disagree about the offensiveness of the characterization, a characterization that was incorrectly stated as fact, as I recall.

Even though banning is not at issue here, it is only fair to say that you were banned for all of 48 hours. I think I was right about deleting the comment and wrong about banning you.

See what I mean, Bubba? I don't think you really want me to start deleting comments because I don't like them.

Samuel Spagnola said:

John, you allowed Ahearn to reveal Jaycee's identity in violation of your own privacy policy, so I don't see why you insist on sticking to your terms of use now.

Guess it depends on whose ox is being gored. You might want to ad that relative provision to your terms of use.

Doug Johnson said:

Mr. Robinson,
First I thank you for allowing comments.
No one is more of a critic of the liberal media, than me. I have been reading the post for sometime now. Only once I seen anything that I consider way off base. Someone post XXX on Allen Johnson page. You know of course I let the NR know the second I saw it. It was quickly removed. I think there are some words that not only should not be used, but the poster warned are removed. We have come to PC for our own good in my opinion. Unless I missing something I see no problem. I know lots of people that read the post, however they do not post. I never heard anyone complain.

David Colin said:

I like to think of Blogging as free style
journalism.

It's perfect for us that are completely unqualified to
have have a opinion express it.

Hell someone might actually listen to me.
What a rush.

I can cope with liberal or conservative.

It's just plain stupid that bothers me

keith said:

as you can see even a certain post by a jerk off can be pointed out like in the one on tony snow death.

THere are certain sites which moderate their posts which is fine to do but after awhile where you post on their site and every other ones gets moderated or deleted or a certain moderator tries to tell you why they moderate on their site. Than the person should understand if their comments area drops off a lot, wonder why.

A few of my post on the news and record didn't get by for whatever reason, but that is fine for the plenty that I have done in past , one of them was being funny in the middle of the long post on this blog in regards to the GPD & Lorraine & everyone else.

To me let it roll, this is the freedom of speech, you can say what you want. I will try to keep with that motto, but who knows it is your own blog do what you want with it.

Holden said:


Rather than saying "you also remove (or change) posting too quickly" I should have said you change topics too quickly.
I believe debate and conversation would be stimulated by leaving topics up for at least a week.

John Robinson said:

It's not a violation, Samuel, but we've had this discussion before. And isn't that the point of this post, that what one person objects to, another doesn't?

Holden, the posts are still up, of course, just not the lead item. The 10 most recent posts stay on the front page of the blog, and it takes about a week for a post to drop off the front.

Paul Daniels said:

Folks, the First Amendment right of free speech protects free speech from government sensors; ch; it does not apply to the N&R or any other private organization. What I find, and I think that this is the norm, is that absent ground rules and policies by the blog hosts we end up with a race to the bottom. It is the cretins and malcontents who end up running the blogs because no one with a civil tongue (pen) wants to enter the forum.

I appreciate the forum offered by the N&R and the fact that much, if not most of what we find here is usually pretty civil and fairly well thought out. I think that the N&R also gives bloggers a great deal of latitude to express their opinions. I think within the broad guidelines that it has set up, however, the N&R must be scrupulously fair about what sort of things it removes and must stick to its established policies (I would like to know more about the Lorraine Ahearn issue, and disclosing the identity of the blogger).

John Robinson said:

Paul, I really don't think you, but if you must, it starts here.

Andy Bechtel said:

I've noticed that the N&O reporter who is the main blogger for Under the Dome tries to rein in comments that come close to going over the line. Here's an example:

http://tinyurl.com/6dqdh7

John Robinson said:

Thanks, Andy. I don't have much of a problem with coarse language. I like to think that most of the commenters here have a vocabulary that surpasses high school.

keith said:

andy , great point about under the dome. I had forgot that I posted the word "crap", and they did say something about that.

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