Why does Mr. Campbell assume that people who disagree with the president "hate" him? I have no such personal feelings about a man I will never meet. But I have lots of misgivings about his actions and policies. Not because I "hate" the man, but because I think he's wrong, and because I think he's done more damage to America than most other presidents in the past 2 centuries.

“Freedom rang on Jan. 30 in Iraq.”

You have got to be kidding me! Take a break from Fox News and that speed freak Rush Limbaugh for a minute and open your eyes to the real world. Sure the Iraqi people weren’t free, but there are certainly a whole lot worse things going on around the world that the Bush Administration turns a blind eye to (Sudan). I love how this administration and those who support it keep changing the reasons why we’re in Iraq. First WMDs, next to liberate the Iraqi people, now that they want you to think everything is just hunky dory over there since they had a high turnout in a 2/3 election (no Sunnis) and we’re just there to get the Iraqi military trained. There will be no real peace or freedom for a long time to come.

“Although there are many honorable people who disagreed with our pre-emptive war of liberation, a sizeable number of these critics are far-left irrational haters of George Bush, the military and America.”

I am just about as left as they get, but I also have good friends in the military who have served in Iraq. I despise the notion that you must hate America and the military if you are against this catastrophic failure to the American people (especially those in the military). I do not necessarily hate the man George Bush (Ok maybe I do), I certainly do not hate the military, and I love this country, but I do think that this was, and still is, an unjust war that we are stuck in for a long time to come. The price was just too high to oust a regime out of spite (or for oil?) that had no means to threaten the U.S.

“None of the leftists can point to one battle that we have lost.”

Of course we haven’t lost one battle. This isn’t WWII where battles cost thousands of lives. The insurgency is doing just what it wants and that is to create a state of unrest. For years Palestinian extremists have done the same thing to Israel, but they certainly weren’t able to hold back the Israeli military when they came crashing in with their tanks.

Way to go Wayne.

As the left continues to veer further left with the likes of Micheal Moore, George Soros, Barbara Boxer, and now new DNC chair "screaming" Howard Dean as it's spokespeople, the country will continue to redden. There are also idiots like this Ward Churchill guy in CO who truly hate this country.

Eric & Riley, I don't doubt for a minute that you despise your country, like me you want what you feel is best for the country and your families.

The bad news is that your party has been hijacked by a bunch of virulent Bush hating wackos who have no ideas, just whatever Bush does is wrong. Like the war or not, the fact is that we are there and should pull together as a country to support our troops and hope for the best in Iraq.

The left thrives on bad news, what is good for the country is bad for the left. Maybe you two don't feel this way, but I am sure there are many lefties hoping for the worst in Iraq, simply because they don't want Bush to succeed in anything.

Although I am a conservative, I don't agree with Bush on everything. He has done nothing with immigration, which has forced some states and even private citizens to take measures. I don't agree with the Medicare drug benefit program in that there are no discounts from the big Pharma companies. He isn't perfect, no president is.

What I do understand is that there are Islamo wackos who want to wipe us out. This was clear in the 90's with various terrorist attacks and Clinton was too busy in the "oral" office to do anything about it. Bush understands this threat, unlike the US left and appeasement loving Europeans, and the only way to deal with it is to wipe them out. You cannot negotiate with terrorists.

Keep up the negativism. Follow your buddy Howard Dean who recently said he hates everything about the Republican party. Ignore more reasonable Democrats like Joe Lieberman & former Sen. Zell Miller and you guys will continue to slide into oblivion.

Oops, Eric & Riley, I meant I don't doubt for a minute that you DON'T despise your country. Sorry bout that.

When and if Mr. Campbell lands in the real world I hope it is not too late to revisit his delusions and correct them. Otherwise he is doomed to repeat them.

No where in his nauseating worship of the god Bush did he offer any facts, only opinion (his). He can't produce any facts that Bush didn't lie time and again because there aren't any. It's all conjecture.

I agree that the terrorist do not represent the majority of the Iraqi people. I knew that from the beginning. That's the major reason I was and am so vehemently opposed to the way Bush has handled everything. He is responsibile for thousands of innocent Americans and Iraqi being killed or maimed. And he did it knowingly, without rational thought or care.

I am constantly amazed how different people draw their conclusions based on what information is made available to them. For instance, the Bush-blind folks apparently think it's acceptable to lie to and decieve the American people. They choose to conveniently forget the lies that have put us (as a nation) in peril.

Afganistan deserved to be attacked. Ossama proudly accepted credit for 9/11. But Bush wanted Saddam to have involvement so he would have an excuse to retaliate aganist the man who "tried to kill my daddy". When no such evidence could be found (after extensive searches) Bush devised his own reasons. Unfortunately he sold his lies to congress in an effort to get their backing. Besides, by this time he needed to take the focus off our inability to get Ossama.

Common sense leads to commom logic. Why did Bush act so quickly to lead us into a pre-emptive war? For the same reason he didn't wait 45 days for the weapons inspectors to finish their job. He knew there were no WMD's to be found.

Had he sincerely believed his own lies, he would have been a fool to take our troops into Iraq to get destroyed by WMD. He didn't plan a sneak attack; he brazenly announced we were attacking. Why? Because he knew they would not be killed by WMD's. THERE WERE NONE!

Should Saddam have been ousted? Absolutely. But it should have been the Iraqi people, not Americans. When black people started to rebel aganist their dictators, their torturers, their murderers, their oppressors, did they wait for another country to come to their rescue? No, they fought and died for their freedom. Why should the rules have been any different for Iraq?

Bottom line, Bush thought we would go into Iraq, kick ass (because there were no WMD) and he would come out smelling like a rose. Just another of his hairbrained schemes gone awry.

Now his partner in crime, Condi, is making a case for going to war with Iran while Bushboy is diverting our attention by sabotaging social security. When are all you homophobic, radical, anti-abortionist, anti-stem cell research, pro war, Bush-blind people ever going to wake up and smell the napalm?

I love it when you leftist whackos start screaming, "Lies! Lies! Lies!" every time you think you've found a way to attack one of the greatest presidents this country has ever had. You just can't stand that he was right, and you guys were so far wrong you're not even in the ballpark. The liberation of Iraq is one of the most significant events in the last 100 years.
The Dems love to see American soldiers killed so they can point and say, "Look how wrong Bush is, he's getting Americans killed." Well, the blood of 9/11/2001 is on the hands of Bill Clinton, whose inaction after the U.S. was attacked six times--yes, six times (Somalia, World Trade Center, Khobar Towers, 2 African embassies, USS Cole)--emboldened the terrorists to the point that they felt confident in attacking us. Clinton's failure to do his job killed 3,000 Americans. Clinton is a murderer of his own citizens, just as surely as Saddam killed his own.
Go back into your shells for another 8 or 12 or 16 years, or however long it will take for Americans to forget the disgusting Clinton era and elect another Democratic lefto.

Yvonne.. Human shields needed.. Please apply at the Tehran or P'yongyang. And while you are there please sneak around and tell us where the Nukes are stashed. Give peace a chance and if that doesn't work then make some parking lots.

Leftist whacko and human shield. Come on, boys. Is that the best you can do? If so, why waste your time TRYING to participate in an intelligent discussion?

I thought the purpose of blogs was to exchange ideas and information. Apparently you guys think it's for entertaining yourselves while waiting for visiting hours at the zoo.

If either one of you can calmly and rationally discuss the points I presented, I'll be delighted to answer. Otherwise save your rantings and spare us all from your anger and hostility.

Wow! Am I on the elementary school yard playground? Wait, even there the namecalling is not allowed like one finds here!

First, I would be ashamed to stoop to such levels. And for the record, I am not a Bush supporter. The reasons are many and would probably not be accepted by those not in aggreement so I will not waste the space.

Second, I also, for the most part, love the USA. However, I do not like everything that happens here.

Third, why must the Bush supporters continually revert to former President Clinton when the truth is stated regarding the current administration? Also, remember that it is the current administration that did not heed the warnings presented it by the preceeding administration regarding bin Laden/Al Quiada.

I have to say that if Yvonne or Mr. Magoo had any relevant points I lost them when they sprinkled their posts with terms like 'Bushboy'(Yvonne) and 'leftist whacko' (Mr. Magoo).

When you talk like that all you do is distract the listener from hearing your message. What's your goal, to be funny or to get your message across?

"They choose to conveniently forget the lies that have put us (as a nation) in peril."

Yvonne, please describe your so-called "lies" that you claim our president has told. Sources please, and don't just say that Teddy Kennedy told you it was true.

"But Bush wanted Saddam to have involvement so he would have an excuse to retaliate aganist the man who "tried to kill my daddy"."

Please prove and corroborate the "tried to kill my daddy" nonsense you quote. That is so pathetically lame. Sources, please?

"Why did Bush act so quickly to lead us into a pre-emptive war? For the same reason he didn't wait 45 days for the weapons inspectors to finish their job. He knew there were no WMD's to be found."

I think waiting 12 years for Clinton and the UN to do something is far from a rush to action, don�t you? There was plenty of WMD evidence found: chemical, biological, and evidence of a continuing nuclear effort. Or were you just too smoked up during the war to remember?

"Because he knew they would not be killed by WMD's."

Sources please, as to what the president knew and did not know. Or do you really have some mystical skills to claim you know what the leader of our country is thinking.

"When black people started to rebel aganist their dictators, their torturers, their murderers, their oppressors, did they wait for another country to come to their rescue? No, they fought and died for their freedom."

I assume you're talking about the dictators, torturers, murderers, and oppressors in Africa, who were the same color, that sold blacks into slavery? Surely you're not talking about Republicans, who are responsible for the 1964 Civil Rights act passage, while racist Democrats like Al Gore Sr. voted against it.

"Bottom line, Bush thought we would go into Iraq, kick ass (because there were no WMD) and he would come out smelling like a rose."

We did go and defeat our enemy, what planet were you on? Too much weed, Yvonne, you tend to forget the facts. Ever thought about rehab?

"Now his partner in crime, Condi, is making a case for going to war with Iran while Bushboy is diverting our attention by sabotaging social security."

Hmm...so saving a dying patient is sabotage by a doctor?

Yvonne, you really need to put down the bong, change out of your Birkenstocks, and join the real world.

Daryll, the reason we're at war right now is BECAUSE President Clinton did nothing to prevent it. So what did he say to President Bush about Bin Laden and Al Qaeda? Something like this.."We had 8 years to take care of it but I was too busy chasing little girls around the White House, so you can clean up the mess."
Clinton left us with a downsized and demoralized military, a Justice Dept. under Reno that was in shambles and held in disgust by our citizens, the highest taxes in history, a stock market that had been nosediving for a year, and made our White House a late-night joke.
President Bush, to his credit, has spent 4 years trying to recover from the disaster that was the Clinton Administration. He's had to play the hand he was dealt by Slick Willie.
And THAT, dear sir, is why Clinton figures so prominently into current discussions of "what went wrong."

Clarification: Rush Limbaugh was not a speed freak, he was a hop head. Synthetic hop, but still.

Cut the inappropriate smears, please. Rush Limbaugh makes a whole lot more sense than any liberal I hear.

Here is Yvonne on her high horse discussing the reason for blogging, the intellectual exchange ideas:

"I thought the purpose of blogs was to exchange ideas and information. Apparently you guys think it's for entertaining yourselves while waiting for visiting hours at the zoo."

Here is Yvonne describing all conservatives in one fell swoop:

"When are all you homophobic, radical, anti-abortionist, anti-stem cell research, pro war, Bush-blind people ever going to wake up and smell the napalm?"

How can anyone trust your credibility?

I am conservative. Do you know for fact I'm homophobic? I happen to have a close friend who is gay. Am I radical? No just a regular guy who works hard, treats his wife & kids well. Am I anti-abortionist? Yes, when I look into the eyes of my two beautiful children, I could not imagine making a decision to have them sucked into a sink rather than being born. Anti stem cell? Can you show the proof that embryonic stem cells cure anything? I hear adult stem cells work better. Oh then I must be pro war....who the hell is pro war except for Islamo wackos who want to kill any infidel? I guess FDR was pro war too.

Yvonne, you are a the Kerry type elitist, anyone who does not agree with you is a moron. It's people like you who help make the country more red every election.

This thread is what's wrong with America. It's also reason # 47382389389 why I vote Libertarian.

"Now his partner in crime, Condi, is making a case for going to war with Iran while Bushboy is diverting our attention by sabotaging social security. When are all you homophobic, radical, anti-abortionist, anti-stem cell research, pro war, Bush-blind people ever going to wake up and smell the napalm?"

My, my what sensitive, caring and intelligent arguments you make. Statements such as this just do not fly.

One additional comment for Yvonne and those who would agree with her. I am sure that you also agree with the likes of Ward Churchill.

First, Mr. Lowder, you are absolutly right; I should not have called Mr. Bush "Bushboy". At the time it was one of the least noxious terms that came to mind.

Second, DJ, I am not asking anyone to "trust my credibility". I, like you, am expressing my opinion based on my experiences and what I read. I didn't know I was suppose to be an authority on anything to have an opinion. My mistake! I, however, do not think all conservatives are insulting and arrogant; just most of them. If the shoe doesn't fit, then don't try to wear it.

Third, Magoo, you are a deeply disturbed, highly unstable individual. If I knew where to send the money I would contribute so you could get the professional help you need. The rest of your sick assumptions do not warrent a response.

Forth, Mr.Produce, I care deeply about what is happening to our country under the current administration. It is only one reason I am so passionate about getting that evil, false prophet out of the White House before he gets us ALL killed. I have children and grandchildren who deserve a chance at life. And I resent the hell out of Bush for trying to ruin that chance. If my expressing such opinions offends you, so be it. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Magoo,

Do you want to live in your sex-obsessed fantasy world or would you be interested in coming back to reality and learning what the Clinton administration really told the Bush administration about Al Qaeda?

Hey Yvonne,

My point is: how can anyone take you or your opinions seriously with your ranting raving demonization of anyone who does not agree with you? Seems pretty arrogant on your part to say most conservatives are insulting and arrogant.

Now you are seeing demons of an evil false prophet in the White House determined to kill you and your grandchildren!! Oh my chicken little the sky is falling! If you are a grandmother, you must be old enough to have said the same things about Reagan in the 80's when your mindset claimed he would get us all nuked. Didn't happen did it? You guys are on the wrong side of history as usual.

You are so blindsided by your hate and ideology that you fail to see who really would like to kill you and your grandchildren. Not the president, rather fanatic Islamic terrorists. These people despise anything other than a Taliban lifestyle where women are beaten if part of their ankle is showing. Would you like that for your granddaughter? This is going to be a long struggle which will take tenacity. If people like you were in power we would be doomed in short order.

Since everyone is picking on Yvonne, let me jump on the bandwagon. Yvonne labels people who are pro-life as anti-abortionists. Then she goes on to say that she has "children and grandchildren who deserve a chance at life" and that she "resents Bus for trying to ruin that chance".

Do I even need to point out the absurdity here. Yeah, I guess I better. But I'll do it with a question. Yvonne, how come your children and grandchildren deserve a chance at life but you support millions of children being aborted and not given that chance at life? That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

And I'm not even trying to change anyone's mind about abortion. If you abort your child or you are a doctor who aborts children, then you will have to answer for yourself when you stand before the creator of all living life and explain why you felt you had the right to snuff out what he made. I won't.

Women who were raped should definately have the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. It was not their fault they were impregnated and shouldn't have to give birth to a baby that will remind them of that horrible experience.
I know you Buy-Bull thumpers will say that it was gods will and all that crap, but not everybody believes those fairy tales. Gods will that a woman be raped and impregnated? LOL. Maybe that's what happened to Mary. Could Jebus be the bastard child of a rapist? Hmm......
Whatever your opinion, Roe v Wade will never be overturned. Not only is abortion a legal right of women now, but it's fabric is woven into our very existance.

DJ, I will reiterate; If the shoe doesn't fit then don't wear it. But from the insults you have hurled (and YOU have the audacity to try to justify YOUR rantings as having merit), my guess is the shoe fits you well. The assumptions you have voiced have proven my point about most conservatives much better than I ever could.

Actually and factually I said Reagan had Alzheimers and he was not running the country. Anyone who knows me can substantiate that. I said that at the time he was president. I observed, listened and followed his campagin. Only then did I offer my opinion about his condition. Even you can't deny I was right on the money.

I did not automatically draw my conclusion re Bush. I watched, listened, read and observed him before I made any assumptions. He is evil and history will prove me right about that too.

My next comment is for Mr. t (love all this anonymity). I, myself, am not pro-abortion as suggested by your (erroroneous) interpertation of my statement. As a woman who believes God gave me (and all other women) the right to make a choice regarding my own body, I am pro-choice. I have never had an abortion and never thought of it for myself. But I will defend to my death the right of women to make their own choice. After all, a woman's choice regarding any issue/choice is between her and God.

God gave Eve the freedom of choice (in the Garden of Eden) and no mortal man or woman has the right to renounce that choice. Unless, I guess, you put yourself above God.

I could care less if you agree with me or not. I am in good standing with God and don't need your approval.

I love reading obviously MALE-sounding names telling women what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies and when it's OK to do it.

Yvonne,

You may think you are in good standing with God. Are you hearing voices. And please stop slandering my man or else...

Ah, Yvonne, excellent liberal comeback!
Instead of citing any reliable sources for your outrageous assertions, when your ludicrous claims are challenged as the lies they are you resort to namecalling. How typically Democratic--lie to everyone, attack the truth, and castigate those who expose you for what you are. And you people wonder why you're not winning any elections??

So you will fight to your death for the "right" of women to murder babies? I don't remember that right in the Constitution. I do, however, recall there is a right to "LIFE"...Just because you libs wish something were so, that doesn't make it so. (And thank goodness for that!)
So, would you please provide sources for the "right" of women to murder babies?
Or are you going to call me names instead of admitting you were lying once again?

Roch101,I've seen this memo before. I took time out from my sex-obsessed schedule and read it some time ago.
Too bad there isn't one where the Clinton administration explains why they allowed Al Quaeda to attack the U.S. six times without taking any meaningful action against them, or why they failed to take actions or put in place programs to keep our citizens safe against terror attacks.

Now Yvonne factually knows Reagan had Alzheimers while in office. How did you get access to Reagan's medical records, my my where do you get all this stuff? And he wasn't running the country...don't seem to remember that either. Must have been a double standing there in Germany asking Gorby to tear down the wall.

Roch101,

Your pathetic Richard Clark and his book promoting ass is a discredited fraud and proven liar. He is Secretary of State in the Kerry administration in exlie . Four more years !!!

and Yvonne I think your mother made a " bad choice "

Yvonne,
there is a difference in being passionate about a cause and stooping to a level that is beneath dignity which is where name calling and unfounded remarks resides. You seem to be a fairly intelligent individual so I can not understand the reason you would stoop to such a level.
This young lady was where my comment was addressed. Unfortunately you,in your passion, evidently missed my point that such things did not fly. It was not your opinions that do not fly as you are welcome to them. I fought, bled and dang near died defending your rights even to be wrong.

So this is the public square. It looks an awful lot like what's on my TV, and sounds an awful lot like what's on my radio these days.

If comments were enabled in the print version of the Letters, I would ask JR for my 50 cents back.

With interest.

Magoo writes: "Roch101,I've seen this memo before. I took time out from my sex-obsessed schedule and read it some time ago."

Really? The memo was just declassified on February 11th. Bullshit: 1; Your credibility: 0.

Next.

Magoo writes: "Please prove and corroborate the "tried to kill my daddy" nonsense you quote. That is so pathetically lame. Sources, please?"

Sigh: Bush calls Saddam 'the guy who tried to kill my dad'(CNN)

Ignorance of the facts: 1; Your credibility: -1.

Next.

Roch, those are worth 50 cents-- each.

Folks -- particularly those of you who might be new to the blogosphere -- at its best, in the world of blogs, discussion includes factual assertions accompanied by citations of sources for the information (preferably with links to those sources).

The purpose of these discussions is to generate light rather than heat, although we sure don't mind a *little* heat from time to time. If folks will take the time to do a bit of online research and include links with their factual assertions, I suspect we can increase the level of knowledge and decrease the level of bile, both of which would, I suspect, be Good Things.

Besides, I don't want to have to be the one to tell JR we have to give Chewie her 50 cents back.

Rochie, as you pointed out, that Clarke document was declassed a week ago, or don't you think I can read that fast?
And thanks for the link to your anti-war/anti-Bush site, it's always interesting to read what those who hate democracy and freedom are saying.
As for your comment on my comment to Yvonne, no one disputes that there were assassination plots against President Bush #41, or other leaders, in fact. Yvonne's suggestion that it was the reason our country went to war against Saddam was just asinine and not factual.
Sorry, you lose on all these points.
And what's with you calling people "sex-obsessed?" Has your psychiatrist explained "projecting" to you yet?

Sorry, the above comments to Rochie are mine, it posted without my name attached.

Thank you Lex. You have just given creadence to my post. While passion is welcome it should be backed by factual evidence and not oft repeated sound bites from both the far right and the far left. I find both lacking in substance and as I have said, their statements "just don't fly". In case some folks don't understand "just don't fly", it is the same as "that dog won't hunt".

Roch101, instead of using profanity and ad hominem attacks, why don't you actually engage in intelligent debate?

Your representation of the left: -57

I find all of this amusing. We can't get along in "1" single forum and this is what building a community is about? heh. I think Chewie's fifty cents has inflated with the Greensboro "war".

This thread is about to go bye bye, so for MrMagoo and myself thanks for the laughs.

This is probably the only thing Genghis Khan and I will agree on-ever. All your comments have been entertaining in one way or the other. Thanks for the memories.

Quite a bit of invective here from the libs. For a group claiming to be for diversity, all I ever hear from them is loud screeching and name calling for anyone who does not agree with their perverted take on reality.

Wayne, forget Yvonne and the others, you are dead on target. I have written several articles in support of Bush some of which this paper has actually printed, tho I find the Rhino Times a better outlet.

At any rate, Wayne, shoot me your email and let me send you some stuff I think you might appreciate. Mike Crouch - MIKROUCH@aol.com

Rush is a recluse. He is afraid to touch anyone--he has a pathological fear of germs, something like Howard Hughes (see The Aviator). He was a rich kid who got his first job working for his father. He's never done real work in his life. He has no connection to current events and blathers smears, lies, and distortions. So naturally he makes more sense to republicans than do liberals who only have the facts to back them up.

Studies have shown that people who listen to Rush and Fox News have a much poorer understanding of current events than those who do not. And the longer you listen to Rush or Fox News, the less understanding or knowledge of current events you have.

If you want to be taken seriously, if you want your views to be relevant to reality, you must cut Rush and Fox out of your daily routine. But if you just want your prejudices stroked, by all means stick with the liars that make you comfortable in your ignorance.