Tyler,what are you thinking? Haven't you been watching cnn,cbs news,and Chris Mathews? Pat Robertson is the source of all evil in the universe! To suggest we 'take out' a world leader who has the blessing of Jimmie Carter is beyond words!! How dare you sir! The evil US is only after the oil! So what if he is importing extremist islamics? Where are these poor souls supposed to go? Bush (and the evil US military) has made their home land a living hell!

I suggest you immerse yourself in the legitimate news outlets and 'get your mind right'!

Jesse Jackson to the rescue.

Whoo, boy. So now 9/11 has become an excuse for overhtrowing leaders democratically elected in fair elections? Either Mr. Younts is ignorant of what he's writing about or he's the American equivelant of a jihadist.

Why don't we demonize the freely elected leader of a small unimportant South American country? Perhaps soon we'll be talking about not wanting the smoking gun to be a jalapeno shaped cloud over Los Angeles.

There must be some tainted smokes going around in the looney fringe.

Hey dog and hugh where's dan - it's time for the "Three Stooges Show"

You boys are on the right track - instead of taking orders from karl, dubya should ask pat - pat will ask jesus(jesus talks to pat everyday anyway) and pat will issue orders to dubya. Dubya will get a daily briefing on which despot to kill and which country to invade next. Yard dog that is a good idea you have. That way dubya can save the world from itself.

Tyler, you hit the nail right on the head.

True to form, the portrayal of Pat Robertson
as a "Religious Zealot," (in the same category as OBL), seemed plausible, however, in their rush to condem, they forgot a couple key points.

First, of which was Robertson's guaranteed right
of "Free Speech." While the ACLU and the Left are quick to defend the rights of those that want to do us harm, the murderous Islam-Fascists,they seem to be predictably hesitant, when it comes to Robertson. No suprise to find that the objectivity of the ACLU, is somewhat flawed.

Then there was all the concern by the left that Chavez was a duly elected leader of his country, and of course we can't forget, it is ILLEGAL!

The MSM was in lock step with the Left, forgetting
to report the coulmn that was written by Clinton advisor George Stephanopolous for Newsweek in 1997.

The title of the column was "Why we should kill Saddam."

Stephanopolous wrote, "Assassination may be Clinton's best option." He went on to write,"We've exhausted other efforts to stop him, and killing him certainly seems more proportionate
to his crimes and discriminate in its effect than massive bombing raids that will inevitably kill innocent civilians."

Stephanopolous wanting to cover all bases, was quick to address the "assassinaion is illegal"
problem, when he states, "If Clinton decides we can and should assassinate Saddam, he could call
in National-Security advisor Sandy Berger and sign a "Secret" National Security Decision Directive authorizing it." One could only wonder if this info was stuffed into the socks and underwear of Sandy Berger also?

What is most troubling for the Left is the fact that they refuse to abandon the old, "do as I say, not as I do" mindset, as well as their continuing love affair with any Communist dictator or thug, that is openly anti-American.

When Chavez threatened the United States by cutting off or reducing his countries oil shipments to us, once again, the left failed to condemn his actions. Rather than stand up for America, they supported Chavez.

There was a time that the "Left" could be counted on to protect the "life and liberty" of this country, this no longer is true.

Martin Luther King Jr. said, " A man won't die for something, is not fit to live," our country was established because our founding fathers were willing to die, to establish this great country of ours.

The Democratic Left, beholden to their
radical, Blame America and anti-American/anti-War
fringe, created a void, that is now being filled with people that put America first, before all else, even their own religious convictions.

When the chips are down, those on the left will not stand up for America, thankfully we still have minister's like Pat Robertson, Pro football players like Pat Tillman, and we have parents like Denzel Washington, and Duncan Hunter, that totally support their son's choice to join the military to fight and protect their country. Thank God!

Boy, is this country getting sick!

DB,

Even Pat Robertson doesn't support what Pat Robertson said.

We all say nutty things sometimes but Tyler's had time to think about it. He should have used the opportunity more wisely.

Yallerstreak, you back from DC already? Or did you go to join your buddies in the "peace movement" for the protest? I told you about that,right? They are gathering at the Walter Reed army hospital to harrass the wounded troops' famalies. This is right down a draft dodger's alley! You can get close enough to spit in their faces and they can't even fight back!! Be just like old times! Be sure to take your own bag of dope and some rollin' papers. You don't want to try to buy this stuff up there as that place is most likley crawling with pigs protecting Bush and all.

Oh,one more thing. Be sure to wear one of those american flag bandannas to let everyone know that you support the troops,but not the war!

Hey,hey whattya say?
How mant GIs you spit on today?

Off topic. Martial Law declared in New Orleans.

Tyler, did you just equate Chavez and Hitler? :|

Nipping Hitler in the bud may have been plausible as his aggression against his neighbors and his violations of the Treaty of Versailles continued. But Chavez hasn't invaded any country, nor has he violated an international agreement. He may not like us, but that's a far cry from Hitler's threatening actions.

And I can't believe you actually used 9-11 to pursue this assassination agenda. Just like the non-existent relationship between Iraq and 9-11, your connection between the two is likewise non-existent. 9-11 prompted (should have prompted) a war against Islamic terrorist cells, not a leftist in South America.

And Kennedy never authorized the assassination of Diem. In fact, the United States government did not directly kill Diem. They merely told their military forces not to protect Diem from the insurgent generals. But Kennedy himself was against the murder of Diem, a fellow Catholic, up until the end, and he was shocked when news of the coup reached Washington. In fact, when Ambassador Lodge told Washington that South Vietnamese generals were proceeding with a coup, Washington ordered Lodge to talk them OUT OF executing the plot. And Kennedy certainly did not want the leader executed.

Robertson's suggestion that we use our covert forces to assassinate Chavez is another level. In South Vietnam in 1963, the South Vietnamese general pulled the trigger. What Robertson is suggesting is that we, the United States, pull the trigger that kills Chavez.

And why would should the U.S. do so? Is he a Hitler? Or a Saddam? No. He's a world leader that doesn't like us. There seems to be a lot of that going around nowadays.

Hey yarddog - I do not smoke or drink or use illeagle drugs, you must have me confused with dubya - although I believe he said cocaine was his drug of choice - along with lots of alcohol. I was not a dodger but an evader like dubya and chaney and rush well you know all the chicken hawks already - after all you voted for them. (Tecnically dubya was AWOL) I never spit on a soldier and neither did anyone else I believe that particular lie was by the first bush mistake in honor of his envasion of Iraqnam.

Hey dubya whatta you say
How many troops did you kill today.

you know Yarddog you and the other stooges are equally responsible for the deaths of our brave young soldiers. Every time someone in Iraqnam dies their blood is on your hands.

I wish I could go to the anti-war rally you mentioned, I consider it a citizen's duty to demonstrate against illeagle government actions and I believe you will agree that dubya's and Karl's case for attacking Iraqnam are all lies.

Yallerstreak, hey,hey,whattya say?
How many GIs you spit on today?

What is happening to rational and logical thinking in the world? I cannot imagine that this has acutally happened.

Shalom

Yard dog how many troops will die today because of you? You voted dubya and karl in I sure didn't get over it yard dog he won and you're helping to kill our troops yard dog - you and karl and dubya - all for a lie.

Man,it's getting hard to type with all this blood dripping off my fingertips.

Yallerstreak, Jane Fonda is joining the circus. You gonna suck up to her too? She will make the circus out in crawford look like a Ted Mack amature hour.
Karl and W. I'm in good company.

Hey,hey,whattya say?
Spit on any GIs today?

"What is happening to rational and logical thinking in the world? I cannot imagine that this has acutally happened."

Daryl,

Are you sure it was this world you were talking about?

And never get in the middle of a dogfight. When these things turn silly you might as well forget it.

Yellowdog and Friends,

Since the Liberal MSM feels it is their duty to mis-inform the public, and for those of you that continue to view CNN (Clinton News Network), or PMSNBC, the following is a Public Service Announcement:

WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION FOUND IN IRAQ
(Partial List)

1. 500 Tons ( 1 million pounds ) of yellow cake
uranium. It was found at Saddam's nuclear
weapons facilities. Joe Wilson must have
missed this also.
2. 1.8 tons of partially enriched uranium was
found at the same facility. Great for making
"dirty bombs."
3. Hidden centrifuge parts and blueprints.

4. Two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin
and mustard gas.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/Iraq/2004-07-
07-Iraq-uranium_x.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/28/1107
44.shtml
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read Article
.asp?ID14295

YellowDog this is for you, Direct From Bagdad.

HEY YOU BACK IN THE USA, WHATTA YOU SAY,

WE ARE THE BRAVE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ TODAY,

HOW MANY OF THEM MUSLIM TERRORISTS, WILL WE KILL

FOR THE USA, TODAY?

( As for your, "citizen's duty to demonstrate
against the illeagle? gov't actions;
You need some professional counseling)

Does anyone actually give a rats butt what Pat Robinson said?
He is so far to the right that no one but those on the far left could really pay any attention to his blathering.
IMHO both sides have fallen off the cliff into the pit of ignorance and that is where they need to stay.

How about Hugo vs. Bush in a cage match? The Pay per View revenue could pay for a week in Iraq!

Then sit back and cringe as you watch your boy refuse to answer the first bell!

But seriously, all of your worrying about the growing influence of such strong and popular leaders of countries south of the US is for naught. Just look at the demographics. Spanish will eventually overtake English and soon all the people will be brown.

Don't be sad. Get off the computer and go outside and play.

Tyler, yard dog you christians sure do like killing a lot jesus must have been a real psyco kind of guy huh?

Yallerstreak,

Hey,hey whattya say?
Spit on any GIs today?

Vestibule-Did you really mean to imply that Kennedy would not have upheld his duty if a Catholic had a differing point of view?

Hey guys whattya say.
Let's start talkin' sense today.

Old Patriot,don't confuse yallerstreak with the facts. Unless it comes from Teddy Kennedy,Michael Moore, or Jane Fonda it has no meaning to him/her.

You listed 4 items. This is far beyond his reach. Right now he is most likley doing the research over at moveon.org or the daily kos to see how best to counter what you say.

Yallerstreak,
Hey,hey whattya say?
How many GIs you spit on today?

Marshall,just showing ole yaller how stupid this looks. Good job,no?

I do not know how old Tyler is, I was a young tike when Kennedy threatened and wimped out on doing something about Castro. As time went on with the wisdom that is so prevalent in D.C., our government decided that it was far better to send our young men exactly halfway around the world to fight communism. That war was also UNDECLARED. Once again they have sent our troops 'over there' to stamp out a third world country that has done absolutely nothing to the United States.
Meanwhile, those of you who are taking Hugo Chavez lightly are ignoring his own claims of intentions against us, just as was done when Castro took over. We do have the right to influence the actions of countries in our hemisphere, as they do affect us directly. Just look at what is happening to us due to the policies that the Mexican government have put into place in the area of immigration.

confused-

No. That isn't what I meant. But one of the reasons why Kennedy would later choose him as a leader for South Vietnam was that he was a fellow catholic. There were also the (more important) facts such as the fact that Diem said he would resist communism and work with the West to create a South Vietnam - provided the French evacuate.

My comment about catholics was merely to substantiate my point that Kennedy did not actively pursue the death of Diem. I wasn't saying anything controversial. Unfortunately, many leaders past and present forged relationships with others based on religious affiliation.

Joel-

Venezuela isn't a threat. C'mon. I can't believe some of you actually take Chavez seriously.

Joel, you were certainly young if you even imagine that JFK wimped out on the Cuban missle situation. It had little to do with Castro and on heck of a lot to do with the Russian's placing missles in Cuba with which they could have taken out half the dang country. No, Joel, JFK did not wimp out. This world was on the brink of nuclear war and the Russian's blinked, fortunately. JFK told them to get out, how long they had to get out and what would happen if they did not get out. The missles were being packed and moved within a matter of hours. So Joel, go study some history, not the revisionist kind and learn the truth. I was one scared as heck kid, in college, who had just joined the Army reserves to build time while I finished school. Thankfully I did not have to be caught up in what could have been the end of the world as we know it.

Dear yellowdog, hugh, yard dog, et al, the way you are carping at one another, ya'll sound like a bunch of gays!
Are any of you even getting close to getting any leg?!

I would like to say that it is sad that you guys feel the need to keep up w/the little rhymes you have going. It's so childish. But then again, judging by your comments, you do not have the mind capacity for much more. Those who believe that we attacked Iraq to "protect freedom" are naive. All Bush wanted was oil and revenge, plain and simple. Soldiers and innocent Muslims are dying needlessly, while Bush vacations and ignores Sheehan. And yes, I dared to say innocent Muslims because contrary to the beliefs of some, such a thing does exist. It is unfair that a few arrogant/ignorant Americans who feel that we can just pick off the elected leaders of any country we don't like can ruin the global image of this country.

"All Bush wanted was oil for revenge". "Bush vacations while ignoring Sheehan". Wow this is original. And you want to talk about mind capacity? Go back to the daily kos and moveon.org and look for more comments to post here.

Meanwhile **** off.

mrproduce, I believe that it is the "Bay of Pigs" invasion that is questionable, not the "Cuban Missle Crisis." At least that is my reading. I could be misreading something.

Shalom

mrproduce;
I really do apreciate your take on issues, but the situation with Cuba is nothing but bad, has been since Fidel took over, and our government DID NOTHING for the Cuban people. I do not have to read about it, I have met a few Cubans and heard about many others who were there! They,(the ones who are not socialists) will all tell you about the broken promises, the lies about supporting a change along with military support. And the bad thing is, this is not the first time we have left people hanging after promising to help them achieve freedom. You should do some reading about history to realize that the rulers in Washington do not really care about 'human rights', just how the situation will be favorable to corporate earnings.
vestibule;
It is not up to me to take Chavez seriously, that is why we pay the thinking heads at the State Department the big bucks. Remember that these same wiz kids said that Saddam was bad. Once they said the same thing about Khaddafy. There is always a boogyman in the closet somewhere, I just think that we need to step back and concentrate on our own neighborhood, stabilize it and help the people here before we go traipsing around the world playing policeman.

Y'all understand that if Chavez keeps expanding his power and manages to bring other countries into his fold that there is nothing between him and our country but Mexico?

Let us say he can. He says the right things and makes the right moves. Like Hitler for example. Suppose that most of South America gets organized under Chavez, it would be the only force in the world with a land link to our country.

Col. David Hackworth proposed many years ago that the next Major war that the US would engage in would be with a united South America, running over Mexico and coming at the US via land. Interesting.

We cannot allow Chavez to gain any strength at all nor can we allow him to gain influence over any other country down there. He must be stopped and the least costly way to do that is now.

BTW, what I outlined above is the reason that our policy with South American countries has always been to back differing governments and sometimes some real strange people as leaders of South American countries. We have intentionally supported folks that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting together with a neighboring country and consolidating power.

There sure seem to be a lot of chickenshits in the land of the brave.

and you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. I'm not sure where that fits in but thought I'd throw it out there.

"Y'all understand that if Chavez keeps expanding his power and manages to bring other countries into his fold that there is nothing between him and our country but Mexico?"

Mighty big hypothetical there Dan. This type of thinking got us into Iraq. These folks have the right to function independently of us. We have no more right to dictate to them than they do to dictate to us.

You pro-war people are f-ing sick!

It IS possible to support the troops and TOTALLY not support this war.

The tennants of waging war with Iraq were FALSE. This is fact!
Yea, we're there now, but we shouldn't be!

We aren't the world police, spreading democracy to every country on Earth. (But if your country has large reserves of oil, we will!)

The reasons for war shift with every smirk from the president.

I for one will show my patriotism by opposing this war, demonstrating against this war and supporting the troops!

Just an added note about Chavez. This South American "Dictator", proto-Hitler, "threat to our national security" has offered to donate petroleum to help us get over the problem that Katrina has caused us. One of the few pledges of international aid that we've gotten.

Yep, we really need to take this guy out.

Hey marshall,

Stalin also agreed to help us defeat Germany. The result of that is when General Patton wanted to take his tanks all the way to Moscow he was stopped. You need to read a little history some time.

Mac,

Stalin did help us to defeat Germany. They lost 28 million people in the effort. It was a relationship of shared goals rather than shared values to be sure but I'm not sure what point you're driving at. I dare say a drive to Moscow wasn't seriously entertained by the Allied high command.

didn't mean to yell

marshall,
Would this great South American hero "Chavez" you speak so glowingly of be the same one that this little ditty is about?

"Chávez poised to take control of banks" (headline)

"Caracas - Venezuela is preparing to take political control of private banks as part of a drive to spread “revolutionary” government control over the economy of the world's fifth largest oil exporter. Trino Alcides Diaz, Venezuela's banking superintendent, has privately told the heads of several of the country's banks that President Hugo Chavez wants to place two government representatives on the institutions' governing boards." (Financial Times UK, 1Sep05)

Just one hell of a nice guy!

And from the same article:

"The Chávez government is also implementing a programme to redistribute land from large estates to the rural poor." (Hummmm....sounds kind of familier, huh marshall?)

"Private companies across Venezuela are being asked to introduce “co-management” as the preferred model of corporate governance." (Gee wiz, wonder what "co-management" means? How about telling us marshall?)

"Experts said government representatives on bank boards would act as “political commissars” who would ensure credit flows were determined by political rather than by financial factors." (come on marshall, translate this for us)

"Commissars", now that kind of has a familiar ring to it. Where have I heard that term being used before? Marshall, why don't you remind us all where that title for a person was most commonly used? (That's a hint for you marshall, "commonly" think real hard now.)

Venezuela also owns CITGO gas stations. Have you noticed which stations DO NOT have gasoline here in the triad? Hmmmm, coincedince?
Look, my point was not that he IS a problem now, it was just that we continually go to all parts of the world and leave our homefront exposed and weak. I hate to mention the current disaster but it is indeed a fact that resources that COULD be used there are now being used in Iraq, to the tune of well over ONE BILLION DOLLERS a month. Our constitution clearly intended for our enlightened leaders to concentrate on the United States of America, not to protect a money source for big oil.