Don't know what Kindley said, but the "hates the sin, not the sinner" is not an unbigoted remark to me. Who is he or anyone to say another's being born a homosexual is a sin? Believe it is a sin if you want, but keep your comments and thoughts to yourself.

Most local Republicans will tell you that the person in question is "not the sharpest crayon in the box". It's nice to see the lte defending him, but Mr. Kindley's remarks and actions speak for themselves.

Carol, there is no evidence that homosexuals are "born" and you know it. Quit trying to cloud the issue with your liberal lies.
And I suggest you consult your (dusty from non-use) Bible to answer your own question. It's "He" that says it's a sin.

I think the quote "hates the sin, not the sinner" helps bring the problem into focus. I think the message of Christianly directly ask us to move from "hate" towards a genuine community based on compassion and love. Hate, and the violence that hate often nurtures, destroys the ability for us to create such a community.

For some time our moral discussions seem to have centered around the morality of our different sexual choices. Maybe our obvious failure to bring about community based on love and compassion has something to do with our refusal to accept that our discussions about morality need to include the whole of our actions. I wish we could find ourselves engaged in a moral debate on issues that actually prevent the creation of a community based on love and compassion.

Carol,
As is evidenced by the above posts, ignorance surrounds the issue.
Homosexuals are born. They do not walk down the street and decide, "Hey! I'm gonna try out that thing called being homosexual".

Notice how some pick and choose what they believe DEFINITIVELY--then they claim everyone else is out of step!
I really feel for the children of these narrow minded posters, especially if one IS a homosexual. They cannot come out of the closet for fear of NOT BEING LOVED, much less accepted by their own flesh and blood. If they are straight, they have had the same prejudices drilled into them by their "blble believing" parents.

Feeling out of the loop. Who is Kindley, and why was he quoted?

Good comments, John. I'm an old Quaker.

DD, please provide any proof that homosexuals are "born." PROOF, not opinions.
You can't because there isn't any, and you know it.
Ignorant statements such as yours are what makes this a difficult issue.

Kindley is the "Grand Poo-Bah" of the local GOP. He is known for often sticking his own foot in his mouth and having to remove it publicly. He's what you get when you cross Karl Rove with Forest Gump!

Enough said?

j"cack"bar,
You are the one attacking homosexuals---Why?

Do they threaten you?

Are you afraid of your florist getting together with your interior decorator and whooping you?

Why the big deal?

Are you afraid of "becoming" one? (LOL!!)

Oh yeah, like all of sudden you "DECIDE" you are going to be a homosexual.

Well, I think I will become an African American!

Go read some history, and you will see that right wing religious nuts tried to "scrub" black people until they were white---after all, their palms were white?

If you and your family, assuming you have one, are threatened by homosexuals, then you need to be forthcoming with some explanations!

Again, minds like parachuts, only work when open.

So I caught you in another LIE, didn't I, DD?
You have no proof of your ignorant allegation, do you?
That makes it a LIE.
I never "attacked" homosexuals in any way, did I?
Do you think your lies contribute to intelligent conversation among adults here?
Do your parent know you're playing with their computer?
Inquiring minds want to know, DD---why do you lie?

There is no evidence that people are born homosexual. This is just another ploy used by homosexuals to portray themselves as victims of a sperm cell gone astray. If people are born into homosexuality and it is a natural function, why are they not with us in greater numbers than the 1-2% that they are? Why do we not have a like number of homosexuals as people who have brown eyes, or red hair, or are tall or short, etc...? It is a learned trait.

And jcackbar, if you are not openly supportive of the homosexual agenda, then you are "attacking" them in the jargon of the far and kooky left.

neoCON & J"cack"bar,

Your ignorant comments and your homophobia are telltale signs of your true personalities.

Oh, that's right....you guys are big Vernon Robinson supporters!

You won't have to worry about "them homo-sheck-shewels" if ol Vernon gets into office---he's already on record for sending "Homo-seck-shewel" partners back to Mexico! (LOL!)

Do you dolts even hear what you are saying??

You justify hate with the bible, just like people did with slavery and civil rights!

neoCON doesn't even need the bible to define his bigotry--he's A-OK flying solo with hatred.

You guys are pathetic.

World traveler, your posts become more and more incoherent every day. I suggest you seek help for advanced BDS. You may be a threat to yourself.

You have proof that people are born homosexual? I'd like to see it. So would several thousand genetic scientists. This is just another example of the left spewing garbage as truth (like Carol's statement) that has no basis in fact simply to prop up a weak argument and attempt to portray those who disagree with them as bigots.

I wonder if BDS is inherent in liberals? This is more apt than being 'born' homosexual.

jcackbar,

Where is your proof that homosexuals are NOT born that way?

While I rarely agree with DD, he's exactly right about homosexuals being born that way. Science tells us that every male/female species on the planet has some tendency toward homosexuality.

In fact Researcher Charles Roselli's decade-long studies (1995-2005) have shown that sexual orientation is hard-wired into brains before birth.

Dr. Roselli's study found that among gay sheep, their hypothalamus was female-like in size. Roselli believes that abnormal prenatal hormonal exposure to the fetus' brains may be what causes them to develop in a sex-atypical manner.

Folks may argue about people not being born that way all they like, but the science is pretty hard to refute.

That's not "science" it's the OPINION of a scientist. Big difference.
If it could be proven that homosexuals were born that way, they could tell at birth how someone was going to turn out. They can't, because they aren't born that way.
Prove it if you're going to make that ridiculous statement.

"If it could be proven that homosexuals were born that way, they could tell at birth how someone was going to turn out. They can't, because they aren't born that way.
Prove it if you're going to make that ridiculous statement"

Again, jcackbar, where is your proof that people are not born homosexual? So far all you have offered is your opinion. "If you're going to make that ridiculous statement", WHERE's your proof?

As we all know, several bloggers do not want to hear facts. They choose to keep their view in spite of anything one says.

The teacher in me keeps wanting to teach, but as in the classroom, there comes a time when you say, "I can't spend any more time and energy on this one. I have to use my energy on those who want to learn."

I can't prove or disprove any of this stuff. No one else on here can either. I'm just some guy making some observations.

My attractions towards members of the opposite sex are non-transferable to members of my own. I cannot talk myself into finding some dude hot. I have also known and been friends with many gay people. I strongly believe that their feelings are just as strong as mine. They no more choose to be gay than I choose to be straight.

That leads me to believe that homosexuality is not just a choice or even learned behavior. If it were simply learned, the intolerant eras and regions would have no homosexuals at all in them.

Swanks,
You have made the matrix of the argument manifest. I cannot separate my love of women and transfer that to men---I could NEVER wake up and decide, like picking out a new lawn tractor, that I would pick a "happening" man to take for a spin.

Those men who think it is a choice, are afraid of something...not sure what, but maybe their own masculinity. My wife, my family and I are not threatened by homosexuals, and for the life of me, I do not get why this issue seems to be a threatening one for so many.

Great, logical conclusions. Seems common sense was used. Congratulations!!! We could use more thinking folks around.

Yvonne, I'm not the one making a ridiculous claim on here. Both Bishop and DD made an unsubstantiated, false, and deliberately misleading allegation. It's up to them to prove it.
Funny, homosexuality is one of the age-old questions in our society. I'd think that if someone definitively determined what caused it we would have seen something, anything, on the news about it. But we haven't...why? Because nobody has pinned down where it comes from.
If you have proof, put up or shut up.

I agree that nobody has proven anything in terms of people being born with an inability to control themselves from having sex with people of the same sex. People may have opinions that say it is a choice or a condition but they are just opinions. I respect those as they are owned by the individual. Personally, I think it depends. I think sometimes there are genetic predispositions that may give a man more feminine qualities or a woman more masculine qualities. Sometimes that occurs to the extreme and you have someone born with both body male and female genitalia. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that hermaphrodites were not born that way. Other times, I think it is a societal influence that creates a desire for a homosexual relationship.

I agree with Yvonne that homosexuality isn't just about sex (stated on another thread). It often seems to come down to a 'feeling'. Just like I'm attracted to women (preferably tall with dark hair, dark eyes and nice complexions), some guys are attracted to men with the same features. That leads me to think it is more than just genetics. Just my opinion, of course.

Now, if scientists DID have conclusive evidence that homosexuality was genetic, should they not then move forward to find a cure for what would be considered an abnormality? After all, I've heard it said many times before that nobody would CHOOSE to be gay. So, if it was a biological condition that could be corrected, should we do that?

j"cack"bar,

Guess the right wing wackos would then call it a "birth defect" and relegate Homo-seck-shewels
to mental wards.

I still don't understand why folks like you feel threatened by them?

Are you afraid they are going to break in and rearrange your furniture and change the color scheme in your home?

Oh, and before you start with some rant about pedophilia, you can check and find that heterosexuals are far more prone to that.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Of course if you believe, as you say, that it is a "Learned behvior" then I guess you are afraid you might "become" one. Now that, IS funny!

DD, I surfed and looked up a word you suggested...now that was enlightening.

Carol,

Glad you did! Some of these folks who post, use pseudonyms that are quite racy for the paper. They do so because they can get away with it. I loved it when "Swankalotapus" was dodging the question with some pretty creative answers!

(Of course "Swanks" is nicer than the name that appears when you move the cursor over the name)

Carol,
The most common slang version of "cack" is not the one meaning feces, but rather the sexual one. I think it is quite telling about our "poster" and his feelings about gay people.
I guess no one sees themselves the way the world sees them!

DD,

Didn't we go over this last time? You asked about the origin of my nickname and I told you. End of story. There is nothing to dodge or disavow at all.

If you think there is more to it, you are wrong.

"DD, I looked up the word you suggested...now that was enlightening".

Apparently it doesn't take much to "enlighten" you Ms. Dunn. If a simple-minded poster like the DemonDeacon can "enlighten" you, I feel pity for your former students and what they had to endure. You are an enabler to someone who has no idea how ignorant and immature they appear on these blogs. Think of me what you will, but that doesn't change the fact that when you associate yourself with him, it belittles and demeans you in the process. Look what you have sunk to... looking up meanings of words in an infantile attempt to smear someone, then reporting back to the heckler how "enlightening" it was to learn what it meant... pathetic.

It pains me to say this, but if this is the way you conducted yourself in the public school system, it is little wonder kids are graduating without the ability to balance a checkbook or name the framers of the constitution.

YardDog...you seem to really dislike me and all I write...do you know me personally or have a personal grudge against me??? Maybe you were a former student??? I try to never call names or attack others, just state my opinions. Sorry if I offend you so greatly.

yard dog. Not to be confused with yellowdog.