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Tuesday, August 15, 2006

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Virtual Editorial Board

What follows is the News & Record's first formal attempt at a Virtual Editorial Board.

The idea: Readers will be invited to give input on editorial in progress -- in effect, to react to an editorial before it is published.

We'll provide a brief summary of the editorial thus far and you'll have a chance to weigh in. Some of you may be quoted in the published editorial. Others' comments may be included in a box that accompanies the editorial.

One warning: If you want to be quoted for publication in the printed paper we'll need your real name.

Today's topic follows. Please comment on it by 1 p.m. Tuesday.:

Noise in the hood

Members of the Greensboro Neighborhood Congress recently sponsored a panel to discuss the noise problem in the city. The session included residents of loud neighborhoods, as well as leaders from Greensboro and High Point. The congress asserts that the city needs a better ordinance and it needs to enforce it.

Also recently, Noise Free America, a group from Wisconsin that battles noise pollution, handed the Gate City one of its "Noisy Dozen" awards for weak ordinances and toleration of excessive noise.

In 2004, High Point officials adopted new ordinances, making it illegal for sound systems and stereos to generate noise more than 30 feet from a car at all times (Greensboro has a 50-foot buffer).

The ordinance also made it illegal to play music that can be heard more than 30 feet away at residences, hotels, motels and businesses between 2 a.m. and 7 a.m.

In Greensboro, the hours on loud music, television, etc. at residential locations are 11 p.m. to 7 a.m., but the code does not specify what the objective standards are for disturbing the peace.

The punishments don't differ much, with first offenses costing $200, second offenses doubling and third offenses climbing to $500. Jail time is a possibility as well.

The city code for Greensboro can be tough to find, so here is a link. It is under Article Three, Sect. 18-41, or type "noise" into the search function. More information is also on the city's Web site.


High Point's city code is here. It can be found by going to Chapter 1, Sect. 12-1-10, or typing "noise" into the search function.

Readers, what do you think?

Does Greensboro have a noise problem? And if so, how big of a priority should it be for the police department?

Is the current noise ordinance tough enough, or is enforcement the problem? Or is it both?

Tell us what you think about noise levels in Greensboro.

And High Point residents: Have stricter standards/enforcement helped? Let us know what has and hasn't worked, if anything.

Our editorial (and possibly your comments) will appear later this week.


Comments (15)

It's early in the morning and my brain has yet to boot up, but in my point of view enforcement of the existing ordinance is our biggest problem.

That is not an an indictment of the Police Department, but is inherent in the nature of the violations that occur.

What steps can the GPD take to deter an individual who drives through a residential neighborhood at 3 a.m. with a car stereo blaring at maximum volume, or an inconsiderate neighbor who turns their music down when the police arrive only to crank the volume back up after they leave?

Noise stake-outs? Multiple trips to a location until they can be caught in the act? Undercover decibel confirmation officers?

Since most flagrant violations resulting in a call to the police would naturally take place late at night when patrol resources are limited, does the highly irritating but non life threatening nature of the violation warrant the authorization and expense of additional officers?

I think not. I would however believe that it would be beneficial to hold landlords financially responsible for repeated calls to rental properties and make more traffic stops when a patrolling officer encounters an obvious violation while driving.

Sorry for being long winded, I'm on my first cup of coffee and can't type "good morning" without a preamble.

We can all agree America is a noisey place. My personal peeve is the 1000 watt boom-box car, sitting at an intersection.

Perhaps this is only a problem for me, but the city ordinance does not well address this situation. It calls for inaudible at fifty (50) feet, but is that windows up or down? What is inaudible - does that mean you can't hear it, or just can't make out the lyrics? Fifty feet is also 4 car lengths, so one car rattling at a 3 lane red light might affect 23 others. Do those 23 all get an exemption from paying later for the loud-one's hearing aid? What cha gonna do - arrest the guy? Can I sue him for the emotional distress caused by one-to-many listens to J-Lo's latest hit single?

Too many issues, no easy solution.

What is the minimum noise buffer for a FedEx jet engine?

I wasn't aware Greensboro had a noise problem. At times, it really seems Greensboro has a nose problem. Everybody got their noses up in everybody else's business.

Maybe it's where I live but it is the exception when someone rattles the windows with their stereo. More often than not, the worst offenders are riding Harley Davidsons or old trucks with mufflers with more holes in them than Bryan Park golf course.

BTW,

How does the N&R plan to verify that users are using their real name?

Ordinance, schmordinance.
What makes anybody think the police department has the time or the resources to enforce something so relatively insignificant compared to more serious crimes? Our police are usually running from one serious or life-threatening call to the next, rarely having any time to just cruise around looking for minor infrations. The time required to take action on something like this is disproportionate to the severity of the act, again, when compared to more serious crime issues in our city.
Granted, IF an officer runs across a violation, and IF he has time to take action, he should. But don't expect that by calling attention to this you will see precious police resources diverted from life-threatening or other serious crime problems to deal with this (relatively) minor issue.
Our police department is woefully undermanned to provide service as it is, we don't need to make every "quality of life" issue a police issue.
Just my $.02

What constitutes a "loud neighborhood?" Which neighborhoods in Gboro are classified as "loud?"

"What constitutes a "loud neighborhood?"........
in my neighborhood i would consider the family across the street with their windows and doors closed and the father is cursing out his two beautiful little children and i can hear him in my back yard. it's not only loud but even more so, it is sad.
to those who seem to think this is not an issue, maybe you've never lived next to a neighbor who is loud constantly and their 6 neglected dogs tied to trees on chains are howling at all hours. until it affects you it's not a problem. it only takes one in the neighborhood to cause unrest to many others.

Buz , sounds like that neighbor needs somebody to go over and have prayer meeting with him and lay hands on him. Of course i might not cause immediate healing but hopefully an inspiration that would cause a healing or a departure from this world.

jcackbar,

It's amazing how they have time to hang out at the local convenience mart for hours with their hands on their hips in between those life-threatening calls.

:)

nitpicker, do you have any evidence of your claim? Video or pictures? Have you complained to the police department? Each police car has a device in it which tells exactly how long it is idle, what speed it's driving, etc. Your claim can easily be checked.
Have you timed any officers to show that they were doing nothing for "hours?" That means more than 60 minutes, by the way.
How do you know the officer was not answering a call for a shoplifter, larceny, fraudulent check, assisting a person, writing a report, or investigating employee theft?
Just because you "see" something and interpret it to mean what you want it to mean doesn't mean your interpretation is correct.

Let me ask you this jcackbar since you seem to have more of an understanding of policie duties than I. I'm not being sarcastic, either.

I recently witnessed 2 police officers leave their cars idling while they went into eat at a local restaurant. They were in the restaurant for about an hour (I know cause I was in there too). What was the purpose of leaving their cars running? Since it was about 95 degrees that day, I'm guessing it was so the car would be nice and cool when they got done eating. I can't see another explanation especially when Governor Easley wants all state vehicles to conserve gasoline.

Police officers are to protect and serve. Most of them do a good job. But they are human and are not beyond reproach. I've witnessed several situations that I don't need to check on to know what was going on. I knew the people involved, that they were on-duty, and that they were goofing off.

One thing I know about police is that they protect themselves and cover each other's butts. I know quite a few and I know exactly how they operate. They are no worse than the rest of us but no better either.

nitpicker,
the cruisers are left running with the ac on to keep the icing from melting on the donuts in the back seat.


Just kidding...

Neocon:

I hadn't thought about that, but makes sense as much as anything else.

I know I probably come across as anti-police but I'm really not. I know quite a few really good ones. However, I also know that there is also a certain element of redneck a**hole that is always present in any police force. Maybe it's the overdose of machismo that attracts them.

I remember pulling up to a traffic stop with my wife and kids not too long ago. It was mother's day and we had just left my mother-in-law's house. I have long hair and could see the police officer's eyebrows raise when he saw I was a guy. One cop said to the other: "I don't like the looks of this guy."

Here I was with my wife and kids and this guy automatically treats me like a common criminal because of hair? Sad to say, but I've had many such experiences in my life and not just about my looks. I shouldn't even mention that this guy's hair cut looked like Bert from Bert and Ernie.

Most of these comments look like people don't want the noise ordinance enforced, I say why have one if you are not going to enforce it? I am tired of being subjected to what other people consider to be entertainment from four cars away.

True story, I was at a light and someone had enough bass coming out of their car that the guy beside me at the light cuts me a dirt look because he thinks it is me, I had to roll the window down and tell him it wasn't me. He aplogized for the look he gave me and he yelled over the noise to tell me how much he would like to blow a hole in the persons speakers.

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