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You go Dougie. I am sick of hearing people blame President Bush.

Thanks MR.Clark,
I am so sick of hearing what went wrong. I think America has done a great job of helping these people. Could it have been better of course.I was in Danville yesterday, it was great seeing people working out in the sun loading supplies for the people of the south. I understand that 7 trailers,will be on the way today.This is going on all over the country.I would much rather focus on what went right and keep doing it. We can play armchair quarterback later.

Doug C,

This is your best blog ever.

And other Doug, you are right. It is always great to see Americans pulling together to help. The Good Samaritan stories are unbelievable. This is what we should all focus on - our strengths and helping others in time of need - our never ending giving spirit.

It is the strength of the every day unnoticed heros that makes this country great.

Maybe it is a huge wake-up call for all of us.

"...forcibly evacuate tens or hundreds of thousands who otherwise would choose to stay."

Tens of thousands of people in New Orleans do not have access to a car. Even many who did could not afford gas and a place to stay further inland. These people did not choose to stay.

"Yet, prepared for what?"

The problem isn't just that the federal government wasn't prepared for this particular disaster, which it should have been, but that the federal government's ability to respond to any disaster has been systematically destroyed over the last several years. It is disappointing that there was no preparation beforehand, but shocking that even after the storm it took so long for help to arrive. Why was it more important for our leaders to be on vacation than immediately overseeing the relief effort? Why can Congress call an emergency nighttime session to try to prevent the removal of Terry Shiavo's feeding tube but has to wait four days to respond to this hurricane? When Gov. Richardson of New Mexico offered Louisiana the use of the New Mexico National Guard last Sunday, why didn't the federal government approve the offer until Thursday? Of course hindsight is 20/20, but with as many warnings as their have been about this exact disaster and as quickly as it became apparent how bad it was, we witnessed in the last week one of the most tremendous failures of leadership this country has ever seen.

Mr. Clark, I have a sneaky suspicion that Lex passed the "designated Republican" baton over to you.
Many of those pointing fingers have no idea the magnitude of the problem, both before the storm hit and after.
Even if we'd had a month of notice that this was going to happen, it would have probably been difficult to marshal the resources necessary to effect evacuation, rescue, and refugee care.
It is simply impossible for any municipality or government entity to have the resources standing by to handle the total destruction of their area. If this was feasible, half of every city in every state would be taken up by stacks of material ready to rebuild the other half if it were destroyed. Neither is it possible to move massive amounts of needed resources across the country on a moment's notice and have it arrive at the snap of a finger over roads that no longer exist.
It just not possible to be prepared for the absolute worst that can possibly happen for two reasons:
(1) We prepare responses based on the last "worst" incident, but it's always overshadowed by the next "worst."
(2) The list of "possible" things that can happen is mind-boggling. Is it possible that a water source in the U.S. might be poisoned by terrorists? Well, I guess it is "possible" but is it reasonably foreseeable? Should we have millions of police or soldiers guarding these water sources day and night "just in case?" That's not really feasible, is it? But if just one source is ever poisoned, the naysayers will point out that we should have prevented it and been prepared to deal with it.
"Reasonable" action was taken prior to the hurricane by the government based on past experience.
Once a tragic event such as the hurricane happens, a massive effort is put in place, and resources are rushed to the scene as rapidly as possible.
There will always be stumbling blocks, snafus, and some missed communication in an effort so huge.
I believe as much as was possible was done as quickly as possible.
Unfortunately, if you have 30,000 people to carry from one place to another, someone will always be last in line.

Ben Stein offers his take on the blame Bush syndrome in the American Spectator:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8693

Doug,

Thank you for posting the link to Ben Stein's site. Excellent points.

As previously mentioned by many, how do you prepare for the worst case scenerio everywhere? Did anyone know all the flooding would occur? Did anyone know the levies would not hold? The list goes on and ond.

With 9/11, for instance, you had electricity in the city, you did not have 6 feet flood waters, you had communications, you had disaster in one location where you could get to it slowly but surely; you had strong local leadership.

This is just something unimaginable with the number of people in all three states who have suffered.

Andrew, I have questioned why the Mayor, knowing that this storm was on the way and the biggest ever did nothing more except strongly suggest folks evacuate. The Mayor also understood that many of the people who should evacuate did not have a way to go. Why did he not then commandeer all the shool buses, all the city buses, all city and parish vehicles, including his own limo. to haul folks out of the city. Instead he waited until the storm hit to do anything and then he complained that the goverment was not doing enough. The governor is just as much to blame as the mayor for not having the NG on standby in Baton Rouge to immediately begin rescue and evacuation. A better plan would have been to use the NG to help with evac the day before the storm. Of course I suppose if the storm had not appeard, the mayor and the governor might not got many votes next election. Wonder how many they will get if there is another election anytime soon. Mandatory evac would have certainly fit the plan using the resources I just described but then there was no real plan. Who woulda thunk that a city sitting under water and only kept dry by a series of levees declared usless for anything other than a Cat 3 back in 1969, would not have had a better plan.
Your daddy's right on this one and I think you know it .

No, Bush has egg on his face on this one. This isn't something that's going to divide the bush haters from the bush lovers or that Karl Rove is going to be able to play political football with.
This is what it is.
The federal response was inchwormingly slow and for all the play that's been given terrorism and Homeland Security most Americans don't feel comfy with Georgie and the crew right now. What's to justify the cost if there's no return.
And that's real.

It never ceases to amaze me how increasingly dependent on the Federal government we have become. It also amazes me when our fellow citizens are surprised by how slow and inefficient a federal system is.

Yes, our national government has vast resources at its disposal but have any of us ever seen these resources utilized quickly and efficiently in a crisis? The very nature of the beast dictates that assistance will be provided only after the federal government has sufficient time to react. Unfortunately, as with Hurricane Katrina, this can take many days.

I would prefer that states and local governments stop expecting Washington to do everything for them and take the lead with the planning. Of course they'll need to ask Washington for assistance but ideally only after the proper planning is in place.

This isn't,(or shouldn't be), a pro-Bush, anti-Bush issue. It's one that is crying out for a re-evaluation of our incredibly misplaced dependence on Washington.

mrproduce, you are right that the mayor and govenor could have done more, of course they were denied repeated requests for federal funds. However, that in no way changes that the federal response was incredibly slow and that Bush has shown himself to be a completely inept leader. It wasn't until two days after the storm hit that Bush bothered to say more than a sentence about it, and when he did speak he talked about how many pounds of ice are on the way. I could defend my position a lot more, but with this I don't have to. Even a majority of Republicans disapprove of the way Bush has handled the situation.

Andrew, just because Bush doesn't hold a press conference every hour to tell us what he did the previous hour doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything. I EXPECT him to be doing something, that's his job, not spending his valuable time telling us about what he's doing.
Have you polled EVERY republican to make the absurd assertion that a majority disapprove?

Responder, excuse me, I was relying on a scientific poll by Rasmussen Reports, not asking questions myself. I expect Bush to be doing something as well, but we know he didn't do anything for a couple of days. The day after the storm, he thought it was more important to give a fund raising speech and tour Southern California than to do anything about relief.

Might the response have been different had the hurricane hit -- say Florida, anyone?

Yep, there wouldn't have been the flooding caused by levee's that have not been more than marginally maintained since 1969. Funds, cut? Yep, use it or loose it is the way government spending goes. There is also questions as to the misappropriation of the monies which were already there for the past 30 years for the levees. Moved slow, yep, they did but then you don't move at lightening pace when you have an area almost the size of New Zealand that has been devastated. Of course all that is on the news is NOLA, Wonder why.

Andrew, the President is able to do everything from Crawford, Tx, or California, the same as he is in Washington. His location makes no difference..they do have telephone service in Texas now.
What does his physical location have to do with anything? Nothing, that's what.
Polls? How about this one:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1
The majority of citizens do not believe this was President Bush's fault, but you insist that the majority of Republicans do?? Absurd.

Doug, a good start.

But, I'll do you one (or five) better:

First, Bush called for a mandatory evacuation BEFORE the storm. Personally URGED the governor to ask people evacuate.

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/default.asp?ArID=144249

Second, the New Orleans disaster plan for hurricanes specifically calls for evacation by buses.

Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00

The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...

Third, there are nearly 200 UNUSED buses in this photo. Who knows how many more there were that went unused. Why did the MAYOR not use them?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

Fourth, despite a plan that says EVACUATE, the mayor and other officials warned people weeks ago that if a hurricane WAS to head their way, they needed to make their own plans to evacuate (this was several weeks ago.) Why people didn't do EVEN that, which was against even the previous policy, is still beyond me.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3kt.htm

Fifth, every idiot on Earth will say "but the poor don't have cars." Ok, even if you take that as the means for evacuation (despite the flooded buses), how is Bush responsible for people not owning cars? Is owning a car now a birthright?

All you people keep missing the point, it's not about what happened before. It's about what happened after.

Responder, the poll you refer to asks a different question. Blaming someone for something is not the same as disapproving of their response. Also, while the president can do most of his job from Crawford, he cannot while he is on stage at a fund raiser or playing guitar with some supporters in Arizona. Bottom line is there's no way to defend the fact that he didn't seem to care or even notice the first 48 hours of the worst disaster in the nation's history.

Sorry, responder, I looked at your poll more closely. You're right, those numbers are very different than Rasmussen's. I don't know why there is such a discrepency, perhaps because people's opinions are changing quickly. Of course, one poll is most likely inaccurate. Either way, it seems more people disapprove of his reaction than approve.

Zat, if what was suppose to have happened before had happened , we wouldn't be having such problems with what happened after.

Andrew, some numbers from another poll from a Wall St. Journel article, Sunday.

The American people seem to be taking a fair-minded view of all this. An ABC News poll released yesterday found that 55 per cent of Americans didn't blame the President for Katrina's devastation. And while 67 per cent thought the federal Government wasn't adequately prepared, 75 per cent said the same of state and local government. As with all the previous efforts to discredit the Bush administration, this one seems likely to fail.

Check out the current issue of Newsweek and today's Wall Street Journal. They cite sources who argue that our ability to respond to natural emergencies has been weakened by the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security, which has diverted attention and resources to terrorist attacks and away from earthquakes and hurricanes.

In an interview in yesterday's Charlotte Observer, the former head of FEMA said his organization was stripped of its capabilities after 911. Prior to 911, it said the three most likely disasters for which it was prepared was a hurricane in the gulf, an earthquake in San Francisco and a terrorist attack in New York. It has also come to light that the new head of FEMA was a Bush political appointment whose previous job was head of an Arabian Horse association (I couldn't make up something more outlandish if I tried.)

Seems to me a series of decisions by the Bush Administration is, in fact, to blame for an inability to respond in anything resembling a timely and effective fashion in New Orleans.

I only hope and pray we are better prepared for a terrorist attack.

You may support George Bush; you may not. But there's no denying his legacy may well include adding more than a trillion dollars to the national deficit, a failed attempt to bring democracy to Iraq, and the Katrina response disgrace.

Johann,

Thanks for your comments. Weakening FEMA now obviously looks like the wrong thing to do.

If there'd been another terrorist attack ... well, there hasn't been, thank God. The object there is prevention. You can't prevent hurricanes.

Katrina also was much more devastating than the 9/11 attacks, which didn't destroy an entire city or require widespread evacuations.

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