PETA and UNC
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is really hammering UNC-Chapel Hill for alleged abuse of lab animals.
Twice the group has placed undercover operatives in UNC labs as employees. Its reports certainly look bad.
PETA comes at this with a radical agenda: animal liberation.
I don't really feel like an Old South plantation overseer because I own a dog. I also don't think it's immoral to use animals for medical research. I don't equate the value of an animal's life with that of a human's; therefore, I'm OK with sacrificing animals' lives to save people's.
That said, research should be conducted in as humane and ethical a manner as possible. PETA has found deficiencies, and at least some of its claims have been supported by the National Institutes of Health -- though violations apparently were not serious enough for NIH to take punitive action.
UNC-CH is a great research institution. Its medical center and medical research programs are a big part of what it does. Here in North Carolina, especially, we should be proud of its work. We shouldn't want any of its actions to detract from that.
By the way, the university has an office of animal care and use.
It may be impossible to use thousands of mice, rats and other animials and never allow treatment that could be construed as cruel or abusive. Such instances should be kept to a minimum. But occasional problems do not argue for an end to animal experimentation.
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Douglas, you do love experiments don't you.
Mice, dogs, cats, ...children...whatever it takes. It makes sense though. Since the birth of your blog I've watched the way your sick mind works, so it doesn't surprised me one bit that you would advocate for the experimentation of animals--Hell, you've been the loudest voice in the legalized abduction/experimentation of High Point's High Schoolers for two years now.
Why don't you just hand over your dog to UNC to prove your point?
You see Douglas, the most disgusting thing about you is that you're ALL words. You're ALL about what's good for "others"...you use your column/blog as your personal pedestal to preach your self-serving ideas. "Do what Dougie SAYS, NOT what Dougie Does..." "Here's what IIIIIIII think...." (Of course as long as it doesn't affect me.)
Where were your editorials about the need for a "purposeful plan" to diversify schools, when your boys were in High School? Why weren't you advocating for a lottery THEN? Funny how your interest in this matter is exponential when you have no "dogs" in the fight. It sure is easy to dispense to others from that cozy chair in front of your keyboard, isn't it Doug?--JUST as long as YOU don't have to swallow any of your own prescriptions--aka CRAP.
You are such a hypocrite and you truly make me sick.
Posted on December 5, 2005 11:15 AM
The lifespan of a lab rat is short, so your knowledge obviously doesn't go back more than two years. I've been very consistent on this issue since the school merger debate began in the late-'80s. My kids did attend the kind of racially and economically balanced schools that lots of parents don't want their kids to have to go to. They seem to have survived the experience. And anyone who gets sick reading this blog should find others that might be less upsetting. It would be a positive thing if we could stick to the topics posted, anyway.
Posted on December 5, 2005 11:33 AM
Lab rat, Stay on the subject at hand. As far as Doug goes, he is an animal lover. Awhile back, he put himself between two Dobermans who were literally tearing apart a little kitten to rescue it. Unfortunately, it was mortally wounded and when he was able to get it to a vet it had to be euthanized. Millions of anatomy students (including myself) had to experiment with lab rats and later euthanize them in order to learn.
Posted on December 5, 2005 11:52 AM
Thanks, Mom. Don't worry about the online Dobermans. They're all bark.
Posted on December 5, 2005 12:20 PM
Doug, sign the confession. End this!!!You, and Allen, along with the CP perpetrators on the schoolboard are always going to be the Huns who sacked the villiage and rode off with the captive kids, ALWAYS!! These ladies, pining for their lost progeny, will hound you until the end, and guess what, every year a new crop. Sign.... They'll track you to Brazil if they have to. There is no escape...Sign
Posted on December 5, 2005 2:22 PM
Hey Doug, if your kids attended a diverse balanced school, why then are they now wanting to change the demographics there by kidnapping kids from somewhere else?
Posted on December 5, 2005 2:29 PM
The plan is to keep the demographics pretty much as they are now rather than tilting even more toward the 90+ percent free and reduced lunch numbers you see at some of the elementary schools feeding Central and Andrews.
I'd love to allow a discussion on the topic posted rather than the 100th repeat of the same old issue.
Posted on December 5, 2005 2:33 PM
Growl.....snarl...........arf!...arf!!!!!!Douglas had to call his mama to come out in his defense! Ha! What a CROCK!
Woof! Woof! And don't be too sure that those on-line dogs are harmless. They may just squash your little plan.
Bow, wow.
Posted on December 5, 2005 2:35 PM
Doug,
If any in my family has a disease that will only be cured as a result of laboratory tests performed on millions of Rhesus Monkies that will more than likely result in their deaths, then so be it.
Then G-d said, "Let Us make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness; let them have dominion OVER the fish of the sea....OVER the cattle... and OVER every living thing that moves on the earth."
Us humans are at the top of the food/intelligence chain and as G-d instructed us, everything else on this planet is there for our discretional use & to be used as seen fit.
Posted on December 5, 2005 2:38 PM
Just one point off the original subject strand.
SWH IS a racially balanced school. Have you been to the school or their football games? The school is diverse in many ways.
Your kids were not put in a LOTTERY that was stacked against them. Your kids were not FORCED to ride a bus across town and leave the school where they and their parents had planned for them to go. Your kids probably got to keep the same friends in high school that they went to kindergarten with. That is the DIFFERENCE.
SWH is only asking for what the rest of the county has. And we have said it before:
1. WHAT EDUACATIONAL VALUE HAS COME OUT OF THE HIGH POINT PLAN? It is failing on all counts. The schools are getting worse.
2. But if still everyone feel it is such a GREAT THING, then by all means and in all fairness it MUST be used throughout the ENTIRE county. Northwest, Dudley, Page, Grimsley, Smith. They all need to be included. Take some of these schools 3 at a time and they are much closer in proximity than the High Point high schools.
You won't change how you feel about this Doug. Neither will all the other Emorywood alumni who pushed for this plan behind closed doors. It was a plan conceived in darkness. If it were so great, why all the SELLING?
We won't change how we feel either. And we will never quit fighting for what we believe is right for our children - the right to have what the rest of the county children have. The right to know where they will go to school and a neighborhood base school with the option of a true magnet school. There are many battles, but only one war. And it will never be over until every tear of every 8th grader at Southwest Middle has been dried. These kids have been wronged. And that is just how it is. Maybe animals are used for lab experiments. But we put more value on our children than some lab rat.
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:00 PM
Doug, if the demographics at your school are changing in a way you don't like, that hardly gives you licensce to come kidnapp my kids from a school that I want them to attend and a school that I moved next door to. I mean, does it? I'm their parent. Is the only criteria here YOUR NEED????
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:17 PM
Everybody,
Please keep on the subject matter. The discussion is about the quality of laboratory time a rat, etc., experiences at UNC.
Barbara Ann, if the HP school system irks you so much, sell one of the cars you can't afford anyway, turn off your cable, make some lifestyle changes and send your kid(s) to a private school. There's some very inexpensive ones in this area. The fix is in and there ain't nothing you or your bunch of whiners is gonna do about changing the situation in HP. It's a done deal.
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:17 PM
Hello,
My name is Smallballs. I'm over here at the Animal Shelter. I was placed here when my owner decided that he didn't want me anymore. They wanted a nice, new, white, fluffy Foo-Foo dog... so here I sit. I totally understand how those kids over at Central feel. It's not easy knowing that you've been replaced by nice, white Foo-Foo dogs....wimper.......wimper.........oh well, off to the lab for me. Thanks Doug and Dotty. BTW, all your fury squirrel friends used to live in the cage next to me but they were bused to some lab to see if they could lick their nuts and take AP courses at the same time.
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:27 PM
Doug, you're the one who editorialized on "the same old issue" yesterday, my friend.
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:28 PM
small balls,
How do you think I feel? I have tried to protect the animals just like humans try to protect their kids. Certain animals keep getting singled out! Can I help it if they live where there are more nuts, and their fur is white!!! Why should they have to move??? I just don't understand it. Someone explain it to me!!!!
I have always told all the animals if you work hard and learn the skill of collecting nuts, you will always be able to feed yourself. NOw why should they bother if they have to be shipped to another home with all their nuts that they have collected. Life is not fair.
Posted on December 5, 2005 3:51 PM
Doug,
Now that the "Socialist Lottery School Plan" is in full motion in High Point,,,and deemed a Success by the likes of Kearns, grier, mendenhall and many other Idiots,,,,,do you believe our Governing bodies would kindly reduce our Property Taxes in North High Point, so to be more equal with those in other parts of High Point.
Why should my Property Tax be higher than some one elses when we all recieve the same City Services(Police, Garbage, Fire Protection, Etc....)I'm Sorry,,,I almost forgot,,,, we all recieve the Same Sorry School System Also.
Posted on December 5, 2005 4:39 PM
Doug,
from the quote below taken from your Editorial in the paper yesterday I assume you agree that it wrong for my daughter to travel 10 miles across town to HPC instead of walking 780 yards to SW. By the way we drive past SW on the way to your beloved school.
"Students should attend schools that are reasonably close to home rather than always closest".
Posted on December 5, 2005 5:51 PM
Now that a thread has been started at the Chalkboard (link at right), perhaps Doug can explicitly state his and/or the paper's stance on a) the HP Choice Plan, b) whether or not it should be extended to the remaining high schools in the county and c) to what extent bussing should be used to achieve socioeconomic diversity in schools?
Posted on December 5, 2005 6:43 PM
jon,
You're right the fix is in, but you're wrong that nothing can be done about it. Dougie Susie and Dot are gonna hear about it forever!! Or until they say No Mas and do the right thing. We may be whiners, but we can outlast the Emorywood Axis of Evil.
Posted on December 5, 2005 7:55 PM
We will defend our island.
We will fight them on the Meadows of Jamestown, in the trenches of Barrow rd and on the seas of Oak Hollow.
We will never give in.
Posted on December 5, 2005 8:29 PM
Jon, Jon, Jon,
First of all we are keeping to the subject matter.
Abuse of animals. In biology there are two classes: plants and animals. Our children would come under the latter and they have been abused. They have also been used as LAB RATS in a socialist experiment for political reasons. By "our children" I mean the SW children. (my kid is not in the lottery - gotcha!)
And equally who died and left you "the boss" of the blogsphere! It is a free country, last I checked, and there is freedom of speech. Doug chose to use his editorial freedom of speech to write about the redistricting that directly affects his neighborhood. We can equally do the same.
Secondly, I have not chosen to personally attack you but I will now address your stupid post......It is not the "HP school system" that irks me. FYI THERE IS NO "HP SCHOOL SYSTEM" contrary what a few board members have chosen to promote as such. It is GUILFORD COUNTY SCHOOLS. If the public schools "irked" me so much, I wouldn't do a "paid volunteer" job subbing, I wouldn't have post 30 signs for Vote for Kids for new school buildings and worked the polls from dawn till dusk. I wouldn't volunteer of my extra time with children. Anyone has a right and a duty to fight for what is better for children. FYI you know zip, zero, zippo about me or these posters on this site. I drive a 1999 Honda- love it - it's long been paid for. My husband drives a new company car also a practicle choice. My daughter bought his old company car and the insurance with money she saved babysitting for several years. I rarely watch TV as there is so much liberal trash on TV and I spend my time subbing or volunteering or tending to my family or traveling. I have no desire to send my child to a private school. We could easily afford this if we chose that path. I could also move if I chose because of my husband's line of work. I am not tied in anyway to this geographical location. I have no roots here. Why take the easy way out? And FYI my child is NOT directly affected by the IT Plan. She is a top student in her junior class and not in THE LOTTERY.
You may "think" the fix is in and "there ain't nothing" we can do. You are dead wrong. You have NO and I repeat NO idea what is going on behind the scenes, both politically and legally, NO IDEA, not even a tiny weeny clue! To you it may be whining, to others who were there on Black Tuesday when 8th graders were crying hysterically and stripped of their rights like the rest of the children have in this county it is much more than that. Someone like you would never "get it". You had to be there and have that permanent polaroid implanted in your mind. Darlene "got it" - she was crying. Nancy has said she never believed in a lottery of children. Kris C has changed her mind and seen the light of how wrong the IT Plan is. Other board members voted against it. Yes, people do change their minds. For whatever reasons, that in the end will be up to them.
Done deal. HA, HA. No one is in a hurry. We aren't going anywhere. We've been at this so long, why would we quit now. Done deal is only if there are no term limits on board members. Done deal is if God didn't invent lawyers. Done deal might only be until the first law suit. I can certainly see, JON, that you haven't been at this for several years like many of us have.
Have a Nice Day.
ba
Posted on December 6, 2005 12:43 AM
"In the battle between the rock and the stream, the stream always wins not through strength but through persistance." Anonymous
Posted on December 6, 2005 12:46 AM
And one more thing, JON, here is the 411 - I don't live in High Point (thank God for small favors - we were smarter than that when we moved here - who could afford the taxes and for what?). I am in the county with a Jamestown address in order to receive my mail. I don't live in within any city limits.
I live in the county and work for the county, not HP Schools because there are no HP Schools.
Posted on December 6, 2005 1:00 AM
Jon,
I challenge you to find me a school board member or a N & R editor whose kid is put in a LOTTERY to go to high school, whose kid is taken away from their traditional school sports teams, whose kid gets separated from the majority of their friend they dreamed of doing fun high school stuff with. I can think of 6 high schools involved in this tally off the top of my head where these people's children do or did go to school. If you can find me one, I will make a donation to your favorite children's charity.
Don't get me wrong. I am HAPPY for their children. They deserve to go to the school they had planned to go to; the school where there parents or guardians went to school; their traditional high school of TRUE CHOICE; the school their parents/guardians planned for them to go to when they bought their house. But so do all the children deserve to have the same rights as a school board members' kid.
What the powers that be don't deserve is the right to treat other children of ONE high school in the entire county - only ONE high school that does not have a real choice - different than all the rest in this county. And I know many of them realize this and have done the just thing in the past by how they voted for the IT Plan. The question is: WHAT WILL THEY DO NOW?
Posted on December 6, 2005 7:01 AM
I will say one thing Mr.Clark you have a set of walnuts you give and you take.I can tell by the number of hits you get on your blogs you are doing a good job. You do not run and hide. So my guess is you will be fired.Liberal news papers seem to like lap dog reporters.
Posted on December 6, 2005 8:32 AM
THE KEARNS-CLARK DOCTRINE
We the above, hereby decree, that from this time forward, ANY parents in Guilford Co. or any other county in these United States, provided they can enlist the help of corrupt politicians, when faced with the evolution of what they consider an unfavorable demographic at their local school, as defined by these same parents and corrupt politicians, in order to form a more perfect demographic, as again defined by said parents, do hereby claim and reserve the right to kidnapp and transport children of a type, again to be determined by same parents, away from their local school and bring them to ours. The claims of the above parents shall supercede and replace those of all other parents of whatever locale or interest, so help us God!
Doug, this is just a rough draft. Hopefully you have some suggestions. We need to get something in writing, so parents everywhere can begin to understand
Posted on December 6, 2005 9:30 AM
Here's another idea, which I urge the High Point Housing Authority to seriously consider:
Place the new Clara Cox development in north High Point, closer to the Piedmont Centre/airport area/Dell employment centers.
Posted on December 6, 2005 10:05 AM
Good amendment, Doug.
"We the above mentioned parents also hereby decree that any future subsidized housing projects be built in another part of town, anywhere away from ours, since we already have enough of thses kinds of things near where we live, and don't want anymore."
Posted on December 6, 2005 10:40 AM
Doug,
Do you happen to know which part of Vietnam that " PHUC HU " is located???????
Posted on December 6, 2005 2:59 PM