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This must be a satire of some kind.
Please say it is.

Or else, could it be... an attempt at the first plenary, ecumenical, for all time, global universal apology.

Here it is...

WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND WE ARE STUPID!!!!

Sorry!

See ya'll again in three thousand years when we will again make our next GLOBAL UNIVERSAL FOR-ALL-TIME APOLOGY.

NOTE: Broadcast of this year's inaugural global apology is brought to you by the makers of Prozac and publishers of PSYCHOLOGY TODAY in conjunction with the Salem Presbytary and Pulpit Forum.

Adam and Eve,

Thanks. I'm sure we all feel better about ourselves now.

If Rev. Dollar wants to ask his congregation to apologize for whatever, fine* Doug

Big deal! I am waiting on those dirty ancient Romans to apologize for plundering, raping over my Scotland great,great,great,great,great,great,great,great, great Grandtather and Grandmother in 100 AD. In fact, I am also waiting on those dirty Viking 600 years later who did the same dang thing.

I am sure the apolopoly is in the mail and lost in the America Postal system because of the Latin script. I don't expect any written apolopoly from the Viking since they were barbarians and didn't know how to write.

The Romans never conquered Scotland!

It is kind of silly that the universal global apology is not issuing forth from say Germany or Stalin's Russia, or the Connie-mentioned Rome above or Genghis Khan's Mongolia, the Grand Sultan's Araby, Torquemada's Spain, the Japan of Nanking or Pol Pot's Cambodia BUT instead that most foul, ageless and timeless, lair of absolute evil...TA-DA...central North Carolina.

Then again, I would wager it's probably because maybe were the only place around- maybe in the whole world, that would tolerate people naive enough, silly enough, just old plain unadulterated DUMB enough, to come up with such a concept.

The Romans never conquered Scotland!*Doug

Oh! Well what the heck? Well I got to blame on it somebody and they just seen to be the right ancient guilt trip suckers to me. By the way Doug! Do you know who got the Scots the Bagpipes? The Persians!

Note: I stand corrected about the Roman conquest of Scotland. However, the Romans did send a Legion into Scotland on a scouting mission to check things out and found nothing but men in short dresses without underware and poor. That is enough for any civilize Roman to build a very long wall to keep out the transgender poor Scots away from any empire.

If Rev. Dollar and the Salem Pysbytery truly want to offer an apology in this matter, then I would expect that they would follow-up with financial restitution for their part. An apology is not sufficient. Money needs to flow to really show their contrition. Something on the order of $25 million would be about right, that's $1 million for each year that they have delayed their apology.

Let's see, best use of church resources: Feed the hungry or feed old grudges? That's a tough one.

Connie, the wine-drinking Romans choked on their first taste of highland hooch and turned back.

Who are they wanting to apologize for? It sure as hell ain't me. The CWP came here asking for trouble and invited the Nazi-Klan, and got it. If the Presbyterians want to apologize for anything,, they should apologize to the American Indians. That mindset, the Liberal Presbyterians, literally destroyed a whole culture with welfare. I wonder how much they are willing to pay for all their guilt to the CWP?

Wayne, I appreciate your comments. Remember, Presbytery has not approved this yet.

I would contend that most Presbyterians are not so liberal. However, liberal clery and lay members tend to be greatly overrepresented at Presbytery and General Assembly meetings. Why? Because they're activists pushing for sometimes radical changes, they're organized, and they seek to gain appointments as commissioners.

Doug, you may be right that this does not belong in the Salem Presbytery but Jim Dollar's apology resolution does make some important points.

Most importantly it does address the violence of Nov. 3rd. It does say that -- "A total of 39 shots were fired from seven (possibly 8) Klan-Nazi guns and five WVO/CWP guns. Trial testimony states the FBI evidence indicated 18 shots were fired from CWP locations and 21 shots were fired from Klan-Nazi locations..."

The apology is to the former residents of Morningside Homes and to the citizens of Greensboro on behalf of the CWP, Klan/Nazis and the City and Police. It is an attempt to say in a spiritual sense (not in a political or monetary sense) we are all connected and via way of Christian forgiveness and compassion we all can offer our apology or expression of concern to the former residents of Morningside.

In the Acknowledge it says: "In those events of that day, we see our propensity to "become what we hate," to use violence in confronting violence, to allow our rhetoric to command our actions, and to use all means necessary in the service of ends we declare to be good. We have closed our eyes to our responsibility to care for those who are belligerent, obnoxious, and inflammatory. We have allowed the anger in others to cultivate anger in us."

Within the guts of the T&R Report and from the statements given to the Commission a lot of valuable information exist that adds to our understanding of Nov. 3rd. The findings and the conclusions in the Report do not properly reflect this valuable information. I think Jim Dollar has tried to pull out important facts from the Report to properly hold everyone fully accountable for the shootings and violence.

I think this resolution helps create some path for community reconciliation, clearly holds all groups accountable including the CWP and clearly condemns the violence that was instigated by both the Klan/Nazis and the CWP. I would not support any resolution that did not fully cover these points. The T&R Report failed to properly denounce all the violence that encompassed Nov. 3rd.

The Salem Presbytery may not be the right place for this resolution but I find the resolution an attempt to move us towards some healing. It seems that somehow the Church is the place to have this conversation.

Thanks, John. I appreciate your point about the value of the resolution, but Presbytery is indeed the wrong forum for its consideration. It might be appropriate for an association of churches in Greensboro.