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I like to read about the stimulus plan, and what the ILLEGALS get, compared with what our seniors get, that worked for this country all there lives. You remember Kay who was against this wasteful plan, before she  was for the wasteful plan. Maybe Kay could help us understand weather ILLEGALS children are covered under this health care program are not. Seems Kay does not like to answer letters on this matter.

 

It appears citizenship status is not checked when determining eligibility for this program:

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/forum/pub6682.htm#executivesummary

I do hate to hear a grown woman cry.

That's right, Doug J, the little children with their nefarious plan to sneak into the country to go to the doctor!

''In the end, she accepted the outrageous instead of the unthinkable.''

Well said, Doug. Kids need health care. Period. Whether they were born here, or brought here by others. I'm not aware of a mad rush of little children sneaking across the border on their own. But maybe I've missed something.

Thanks Cara Michele.

Children without other access to health care will show up at hospital emergency rooms, where treatment is very expensive. Children not treated for illnesses will infect other children.

The desire to provide health care for children, however, should not overwhelm the need to use resources wisely. Legitimate questions were raised about the cost of the SCHIP program and about why eligibility should be broadened so widely when millions of children already eligible weren't enrolled. Questions of mismanagement?

Good question, Doug. One of these days I need to buy (physician and blogger) Joe Guarino a cup of coffee and pick his brain on this subject. He's very knowledgeable in this area and writes about it.

Doug:

The eligibility rules that you described come from a January 2000 report. Illegal immigrants were ineligible for SCHIP when it was originally enacted. Recent legal immigrants were also ineligible.

In the just passed legislation, applicants must be citizens or legal immigrants. Applicants must provide names and social security numbers (in addition to other documentation to establish income eligibility). The names and social security numbers are checked against the SSA database. If they don't match, the household is dropped from the program. Illegals could potentially receive benefits for up to 90 days while the verification is occurring.

Thanks for the update, Dave. The ER it is, then.

No Andrew Clark, they are already here by the millions. They take jobs ( not that our people need them) take spaces in college from our kids
Dave Ribar, according to Obama, just seconds ago ILLEGALS will be fully covered.
So while American families kill their selves making 50,000 a year, struggle to make ends meet, must pay for their insurance, illegals will get it free. God it great to break into America.
I all for American children having health care, i just hate the hell out of illegals and the way we are required to suck their butts.
I pay close to $9,000 for my insurance.
Hell, I be better off to jump the boarder, and let the taxpayers support me.
Just heard that it will take 24 million new smokers to cover the cost of it.

DJ:

Perhaps you could provide a link to back this up.

I've read sections of the bill addressing documentation for immigrants (the bill is HR 2 on the Thomas, Library of Congress web-site, http://thomas.loc.gov/ ). The legislation extends benefits to LEGAL immigrant children who weren't covered before but does not appear to cover ILLEGAL immigrant children.

The text that I was able to find of the President's signing remarks ( http://www.democrats.org/a/2009/02/president_obama_4.php ) seems to bear this out:

"That is why we have passed this legislation to continue coverage for seven million children, cover an additional four million children in need, and finally lift the ban on states providing insurance to legal immigrant children if they choose to do so."

Andrew Clark wrote:
"That's right, Doug J, the little children with their nefarious plan to sneak into the country to go to the doctor!"

Illegal aliens entered the U.S. to get medical help for their illegal alien daughter and sued Duke Hospital. It cost Duke $4 million to settle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesica_Santillan

Jaycee:

Duke killed the girl by not checking her blood type before transplanting organs.

Her initial operation was covered through her mother's insurance and through private donations, not public dollars.

For another description of these events see http://www.newsobserver.com/559/story/546882.html .

BTW, Jesica's parents never filed a lawsuit. The $4 million did not go to Jesica's parents; instead Duke established a fund to treat Latino children ( http://www.allbusiness.com/health-care-social-assistance/ambulatory-health-services/556411-1.html ). Duke did settle with Jesica's parents but for undisclosed terms.

Obama  said it in the signing. I called two congressman office yesterday. The question I asked was do ILLEGALS children get free health care under SCHIPS. Neither office knew the answer, both said they would get in touch with me. Bless their hearts both called back, the answer from both offices was, you a eligible as long as you can show ID. The example they gave me was a driving permit. Hell NC issued driving permits like cereal box tops. (still do).All you have to do is show a social securtiy number, any form. My wife was sent back home for not having it.  The day  I had my cancer operation, 12 border jumpers were in the clinic, not one spoke a word of English. I asked the nurse, who paying for them, answer you are. Now Dave and Doug tell me me whats your love affair with these folks that break Ito our country, and place the cost on us?

DJ:

Your reading skills are clearly failing you. Obama's statement was posted above as was a link to the legislation itself as was a description of the documentation procedures. As that post stated, it is possible for illegal immigrants to receive S-CHIP benefits for a short time (up to 90 days) while their names and social security numbers are being checked. The provision is actually there to protect children who citizens and legal immigrants.

Note, however, that names and social security numbers are NOT the only information needed for benefits. Any household applying would also have to show that they are income eligible; these documents would have to match the names and SSNs. You can look on the NC DHHS application page ( http://www.dhhs.state.nc.us/DMA/medicaid/apply.htm ) to see what other documentation is required. You can also review the application itself ( http://info.dhhs.state.nc.us/olm/forms/dma/dma-5063.pdf ). All of the information on the application is subject to verification.

It's not clear why you're tagging Doug with this, though it does seem consistent with the reading issue discussed earlier. Doug's offense seems to be that he wrote a balanced column that carefully described Sen. Hagan's tough decision between two important constituencies--uninsured children and tobacco producers.

For my part, the concern (love affair sounds icky) is with needy American children who would have to jump through numerous extra administrative hoops to get benefits. It's a matter of not cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The parents were illegal aliens, as was their daughter.
They violated federal law to enter our country illegally and specifically to take advantage of our health system.
Duke was extorted into establishing a fund to the tune of $4 million.
No matter how you slice it, a family of illegal aliens targeted our health system and somebody had to pay out $4 million because of it.
That's outrageous.
BTW, your first link to the N&O is an "opinion" piece, not a factual report.

The http://www.allbusiness.com/health-care-social-assistance/ambulatory-health-services/556411-1.html story doesn't sound like extortion. From that story.

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"Jessica's sad outcome profoundly affected all of us at Duke, particularly her caregivers in children's services and on the pediatric intensive care unit," Ralph Snyderman, MD, president and CEO of the Duke University Health System, said in a news release. "One of the ways we intend to honor her memory forever is to improve the organ transplantation process, not just at Duke Hospital but nationwide, and to be a leader in improving patient safety. Importantly, we also wanted to honor this brave young woman by creating a perpetual fund at Duke Hospital that would help Latino patients deal with the many cultural issues they face."

Snyderman denied possible legal action over the botched transplant drove creation of the fund. "We have not discussed this with attorneys," Snyderman said according to the Associated Press.

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Foreign nationals are allowed to obtain medical care in this country; private philanthropy paid the cost of the initial operation.

Duke didn't pay because someone "targetted" the institution; Duke established this fund and subsequently settled with the Santilla family because they made a tragic and easily preventable medical error that killed a young girl.

If you think Duke paid out $4 million from the goodness of their heart then you're too mentally challenged to engage in public conversation.
Duke did it to avoid losing more $$$ in a lawsuit that was sure to come.
It's called "settling out of court."

Jaycee:

No, actually, settling out of court is settling out of court, which Duke did ( http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0YUG/is_12_14/ai_n17208438/pg_1 ).

You say that Duke was sued, but a news article says that no lawsuit was filed. Now you say that a lawsuit was sure to come, but the mother states that she didn't want one. You say that Duke was extorted; Duke says it wasn't.

The mental challenge seems to be for you to come up with something that isn't contradicted by the people involved.

I seemed to recall a lawsuit for $7 million, but apparently I was mistaken.
Just because a newspaper reports that a woman said this or that doesn't make it the final word. No one except the illegal alien woman herself knows how many shyster lawyers she talked to or what pressure was put on Duke to cough up $4 million. You don't know; I don't know. Reporters don't know. So don't quote me a newspaper article and assume it's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
If you think no suit would have ever come if Duke had told the illegals to kiss their butt then I have some beachfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell you...

Jaycee:

You bring up an example, said that something occurred (without any documentation), and now say that you "don't know." You further claim that it is unknowable to anyone but the mother, whom you also claim we can't believe.

Sounds like jumping to an unfounded conclusion to me.

With respect to the Arizona beachfront, it's good to see you finally recognizing the dire consequences of global warming.

Cheers.