Words to remember
Some words from the prologue of the book "Codename: Greenkil," by Elizabeth Wheaton, that bear remembering during the Truth and Reconciliation hearings ... any beyond:
"The full story of the Greensboro killings may never be revealed, not because there is a lack of information but because there are a multiplicity of perspectives from which we can view the facts.
"It is as though we were looking through a kaleidoscope and events fell into one pattern when viewed through the Communist Workers Party perspective, another through that of the Klansmen and Nazis, and yet another through that of the police and federal agents.
"Each pattern has its own logic, but when they are superimposed, the image becomes a jumble of contradictions and conflict. One can only see that there are no heroes in this story; there are many, many fools. ..."
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Do you actually expect the TRC to come to the conclusion that Ms. Wheaton came to, that there are no heroes, only fools?
If they do not then all their "hearings" and all the money spent will have been for nothing except to have accomplished the words to an old song "Diggin up bones".
Posted on August 13, 2005 9:50 PM
Allen -
Do you know to which editorial this story refers?
Posted on August 13, 2005 10:50 PM
If it is likely that the T&R will not be able to reach any conclusions, then what was the point? It seemed to me that the N&R was clamoring for support of the T&R Commission, but now could you be backtracking from the supposed positives that the Commission was to produce? It seems like the whole process was to open up old wounds for no reason, and destroy the image of the city in the process. Nothing new has been learned thus far.
Posted on August 15, 2005 9:43 PM
Spagnola said: "It seems like the whole process was to open up old wounds for no reason, and destroy the image of the city in the process. Nothing new has been learned thus far."
Why would anybody do anything "for no reason"?
I thought I knew a lot about this event, but I attended the hearings and learned many new things. I'll be attending the next two due to the rewarding experience of the first one.
Has the image of the city been destroyed? I must have missed that. Are you sure it's not the number of closed minds here that makes the city look bad, rather than anything the TRC is doing?
I like what they're doing and support it. If you haven't learned anything new, perhaps it's because you haven't been a seeker of knowledge. Your loss.
Posted on August 16, 2005 12:01 PM
To Sam Spagnola:
I don't think the point is that nothing will result from the hearings. Wheaton's point seems to be that a lot of people made poor decisions that day and in the days leading up to it.
Here is what she wrote after the passage I quoted:
"Still we want to know: How could the killings have happened? Who is responsible? The answers to those questions are as complex as the society that spawned the people, the organizations, and the agencies that clashed in those terror-filled moments in Greensboro."
Posted on August 16, 2005 2:17 PM
Allen,
"Still we want to know: how could the killings of happened?".
Well as many of you know, I feel they happened as a result of some people having a death party and inviting guests.
Don't hold a death party and expect no deaths.
"Who is responsible?".
Well, personally, I think it's pretty obvious.
Posted on August 17, 2005 11:26 AM
Meaning what?
Posted on August 17, 2005 11:32 AM
Allen, meaning? You don't see my meaning?
I thought I broke it down pretty well.
The CWP threw the party.
You still can't figure out the "meaning"?
Posted on August 17, 2005 11:47 AM
Allen,
The questions posed that were left out of your original piece could be said about any crime. Why did the Manson girls kill for Charles Manson? Read "Helter Skelter" and find out. No need for a commission on the subject. Why does the Klan hate blacks, Jews, Catholics, etc. Read a book(s) and find out.
Why did Lee Harvey Oswald kill Kennedy in Dallas? Because Lee Harvey Oswald lived in Dallas, and that is where Kennedy appeared. This is perhaps the most analogous event. For YEARS, the city of Dallas fought the image of the "city that killed Kennedy". Even to this day the powers that be in Dallas have refused to publicly support the "assasination trade" in Dallas even though it brings in big dollars to downtown Dallas. Were the Dallas Police responsible for the death of Kennedy? Obviously, there have been conspiracy theories for decades, but no one in this day and age can honestly fault the city of Dallas.
In many ways, JR Ewing saved Dallas from the reputation of the city that killed Kennedy. That tv series gave the city a new image.
There were several investigative commissions into the assasination of JFK (Warren in 1965, and House Committee in 1976), but nothing like the T&R. Probably this was because there was no real reason to fault the city for being a victim of circumstance. This is true for Greensboro, except that T&R seems to begin with the premise that what occured here in 1979 was somehow symptomatic of our local culture. But just like Lee Harvey Oswald and JFK in Dallas, 1963, Greensboro was the meeting point on a collision course in history.
Blame the Klan, blame the CWP, but not the city. I know you haven't done that yourself, but it does seem that others are trying very hard to put Greensboro itself in the mix. A commission that is started 25 years later does not seemed designed to find the "truth" or learn new facts. Those are already available in books and court transcripts, so to the writer who said he learned something new from the T&R- it doesn't make it new simply because you didn't know it before. History books and public records already contain everything that has been presented thus far excxept personal opinions, and we don't need a commission everytime we want to know how people view a particular incident.
I am not afraid of T&R, nor do I sit awake worrying about it. I just believe as I always have that there is an agenda behind it and that it serves no purpose but to put an undeserved smear on Greensboro for some kind of political payoff down the road. Never forget, THERE IS ALWAYS AN AGENDA.
What happened is really quite simple. The CWP challenged the Klan to a public fight. Both sides brought guns, people died. Have we heard one piece of evidence yet from T&R beyond that and that we did not already know?
Posted on August 17, 2005 8:34 PM
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