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I just read where the victims where using the money they got for, tattos,guns,strip clubs and adult erotica.

Yea and to think Allen that was just Saddams pocket money they were handing out.
That's old news, you must really be hard up for something to write to get something stired up. Did you run out of "Prom" stories?

Ahhhh Mr. P, how mean of you. Give the poor guy a break. We have been raking him over the coals for weeks now.

Mr. Johnson, you know there is always the "R" word and I am sure if you get out of your office and walk out of the sidewalk you will find ample evidence of "R"ism to guilt us White Folks with.

Boy am I on a roll, or got up on the wrong side of the bed one or the other. I just hit Mr. Robinson and now am abusing Mr. Johnson!

No Brenda, I was actually just trying to make it easy on Allen and keep him on his "normal" stories. You see I try to make it easy. When he got called on the Prom story he quietly faded away and when the "toon" stories got too hot he shifted them to John and faded off into the sunset.
But wow, you musta had gunpowder for breakfast or someone tinkled in your cornflakes. I think it musta been the gunpowder or maybe whatever you put in your toddy at night. hehehhe.

Mr. P, I just laughed until I almost "tinkled"! You know we really must stop meeting like this because Lew heard me roaring and came running in to see what the problem was. We share the "joys?" of both being retired. We are also a two computer family; he uses his to play cards all day and I use my to harass newspaper editors, other bloggers and others like me.

HEHEHEHEH the spouse does the same thing with me except we are in the same "office" space in our home. She still edits books occassionaly and developes websites for a few choice people. She is constantly wanting to know what is so funny or what is so bad that I am muttering so loudly. I love the good exchanges that one can have here for the most part, the exception are the idiots who never have anything of value to add to the converstaions. I use to be the nice guy with those and try to overlook them but now I just bait them or shame them into showing just how really lacking in mentality they really are. Of course most have no shame. Glad I can bring joy into someone's life each day. As a servant of the Lord that is my quest each day.

And all those poor folks who got rudely evicted from those hotels recently (on such short notice too!) had quibbles too. The room service was slow, and the food was second rate.

"Whenever cash was needed, someone went down to the vault with a wheelbarrow or gunny sacks."

They applied the lessons learned from the George Soros political war chest gang.

It's really easy to paint these folks with a broad, cynical brush.
Many have made it clear that they don't want to live in hotels. They'd prefer rental housing.
But there is a shortage of rental housing in some areas.
They are taxpayers, too. They deserve better.

They are taxpayers, too.

Allen I'd love to see the stats on that statement.

Mr Produce is skeptical about whether evacuees eve pay gas or sales tax? I thought doing that would qualify one as a "taxpayer"

Eric I would still love to see the stats.
Just because one pays gas tax and sales tax what makes them so much more eligible for anything?
Even the tourist that travels through NO or La. pays those taxes, does that mean they deserve a break too? I have traveled through NO and La probably more than the average Joe and I pay the gas tax, the hotel tax, the sales tax, does that mean I get a break too. No Eric, not skeptial on those taxes just the taxes for income. How many pay no tax and live on the public dole and have for generations.
I just want to see the stats that say they deserve a break more than the guy in Mississippi or Alabama who was wiped out by Katrina.

More "quibbles".....this time, from the a hotel where evacuees were housed.

http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4394737

How many other stories like this exist? Does anyone think this is an isolated story?

More "quibbles" yet again......this time, from those greedy hotel owners.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_035091601.html

Does anyone recall where this story appeared in the N&R? Page Z135, perhaps?

Mr. Produce:
C'mon. You strike me as a reasonable guy. The devastation on the Gulf Coast certainly deserves more than a casual brush-off about living on the dole.
Certainly there are some people who probably have abused the government's aid.
Considering the widespread damage and displacement of Katrina, it's inevitable that there are going to be some bad apples.
But a lot of these folks are hard-working, earnest and honest. They deserve better than the bureaucratic tangle they've had to confront.
What if this were you or your loved ones?

Allen,

You miss the point again entirely. Neither Mr. P, nor any of his family, would find themselves in such a sad state. You see, Mr. P (and many like him)is about taking responsibility for yourself and yours, and not rely on the government. Relying on the government is what got so many of these people in the sad state that they were in to begin with. Once you cede control over your life to the government, you'll have to live with the fallacies of the bureaurcracy. If these people are truly hard-working, earnest, and honest, then they would have gotten off the government program years ago, and they would have gotten themselves their own housing. New Orleans was one of the biggest welfare cities in the U.S., and had the worst public school system. They had already ceded their lives to the whims of the government long ago.

What if this were you or your loved ones?

They wouldn't be living on the public dole in tax payer paid hotels while spending their money on "necessities" like booze, jewlery, cigarettes, and what ever else these folks see as "necessities" that's for dang sure Allen.

If these were actually folks who were honest , hardworking they would be out looking for work and a place to live even if it meant moving on to Baton Rouge, Houston or wherever.
Why don't we hear of folks from Mississippi and Alabama raising cain over being kicked out of hotels? I can tell you. Because NOLA has become the perfect example of a socialized city/state dependent on the government for its welfare. It is a failure and hopefully will be seen as it is and vast changes made before another generation can become that dependent. More money is spent on welfare in NO than in the entire state and this is not a recent occurance. Google it! It's there.

Allen, you certainly can not believe that the people that continue to live dependent on the government are truely worthy of others hard earned money. If so, then you are more blinded by bias than I could even have ever thought.

Is there red tape tangles, yes, but they too can be overcome with gumption. In other words the desire to get off your lazya--, and make something happen instead of sitting back and playing the victim, ala, Jesse's, Louis',Teddy's, etal message that "the government owes you". The government owes you nothing except what you are willing to work for. That is exactly what is wrong in NOLA today. Dependence on the government has immobilized an entire segment of the population for generations. Just another page in the book to show that a socialized state can't survive.
As for all the finger pointing and blaming the government by both sides of the asile it is nothing but pandering for votes, no matter what state they are from, it looks good, and will be forgotten as soon as re-election is assured. The bickering will continue over social programs and meanwhile another generation will grow up dependent on the government.
Just to show that I am no political lacky, this adminstration has wasted more money on social programs than any previous administration and accomplished less. What a farce both parties have evolved into.

Great post produce.
Allen if my house blows away to day . Will I get a bag of goverment goodies???? I have paid taxes for over 40 years.

Maybe you should refund to the government your mortgage deductions, since you're so independent of government help.
I submit that the government IS us. That's why we pay taxes ... to help create a pool of resources to protect the common good.
What is ironic is that you guys are climbing all over a few poor people for buying cigarettes with government money (what graft and corruption!) but don't bat an eye at the "misplacing" of $8.8 billion in Iraq. Oops. Accidents do happen.

Change the subject Allen when you get backed into a corner.
No one on here addressed the 8 billion because most addressed your comments,on the folks you feel so richly deserve to be rewarded.
It seems that you were anxious to defend your swipe at the handling of this rather than draw the discussion back to your main topic which was the Iraq deal.
I believe I did address your original topic when I stated:Yea and to think Allen that was just Saddams pocket money they were handing out.
That's old news, you must really be hard up for something to write to get something stirred up. Did you run out of "Prom" stories?

Now you decided to ignore that statement and start defending your swipe of the handling of the Katrina deal, which was seemingly an afterthought or perhaps not. It would seem by your defense of such that this was the actual intent of your story, not the 8 billion. If you had wished to drag this issue up again you should have made it your main topic and left the 8 billion for the swipe.

So now Allen you can't/won't defend your argument on what you started, what other smoke screen do you intend to put up.

You should have saved the swipe of Katrina for another day when you didn't have another "Prom story" to run, which you couldn't defend either.

If you don't have an argument that you can defend Allen , it's best to not start one. Just don't go changing horses in the middle of the creek for when you do you often wind up in the creek.

We spent several winters on the Mississippi coast near Biloxi so we are very familiar with what WAS there and is no longer. Whole cities are totally wiped out because they got the blast of the hurricane. New Orleans got the back side and their levees failed because they used the government grants allocated for strengthening the levees for other civic projects. The people on the coast began rolling up their sleeves and rebuilding as soon as the wind died down, this was not the case in New Orleans.

Another little note about the dear people of NO: Houston pitched in like a good neighbor and took many of these people in you will recall. Well now Houston is having to hire an additional 140 policemen to handle the crime rate that has more than doubled just since Katrina. Do you see a connection here?

Iraq is another story for another day. Right now we are discussing people refusing to help themselves. Talk to some people who have worked down there and you get a clear picture of who appreciates help and who just holds out their hand for more or sits on the bums while someone else cleans up their city. I know of several church groups who are refusing to go back into NO but are still helping people rebuild along the Mississippi/Alabama coast.

"Maybe you should refund to the government your mortgage deductions, since you're so independent of government help."

Allen, is this the best that you can do? Really! First it is not a refund, it's a tax deduction. Secondly, I don't consider the government letting me keep some of the money that I have earned as getting government help. For cripe's sake, Allen! How can you even consider comparing taking a deduction on your taxes with government welfare? This is money that I have worked to earn. This is not government welfare. Allen, you've really got to overcome this socialistic view of the world. And, don't even consider mentioning social security payments. That, too, is something that I paid for over more than 40 years to earn out of my hard earned wages.

No, the government is not US. From the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed"

The government was instituted and it derives its powers with the consent of us, the governed. We were endowed with these rights by our creator, not the government. The government is just a mechanism. We pay taxes to provide the government with revenue to operate and fulfill its responsibilities, not just to create a pool of resources to protect the common good. The government was not created and authorized to tax to create a pool of resources.

Well said Stormy!

And your are correct Brenda, Iraq a subject for another day since Allen decided to bring up the deal in NO.

OK Allen, your turn. Do you defend, repent, or run and hide?

And Allen, the "OOOPS accidents do happen "is just another one of your little low swipes. Were you hoping to get something stirred up with that lil diddy?
Ain't working Allen, not today. You must have been taking lessons from Lowery or Jimmy at getting in swipes. Defend, repent,run and hide or surrender. You will get no quarter here!

I did not say the deduction is a refund; I suggested refusing it, which would be tantamount to giving more money to the government.
As for this thread, I know it seems like a long time ago, but I my original posting was about the lost $8.8 billion in Iraq, wasn't it?

Yep it was Allen but you decided to take on another old story and see what kind of a rise you could get.
Sorry Allen but instead of sticking little swipes in at the end of your feature , don't you think you would be better off sticking with just one topic. That way you don't get into a corner that you can't back out of. Didn't they teach you that in journalism school or heck even in Basic Debating 101?

Allen,

I would suggest that you look back at your post. You clearly said "refund". It's hard for you to refute your written word when it is in front of all of us to see. I sense that when I pushed back on your comment that you are trying to change its meaning. Not cool for the editor.

I said "maybe you should refund your deductions." That's not calling the same as calling the deductions a refund. But that's a minor point. I get the impression some of you are content to paint all the hurricane victims as deadbeat criminals. I hope I'm misconstruing that?

Allen, Allen, Allen,

Why can't you just admit that you mis-spoke? You've tried tp chang your words so many times, no one even knows anymore what you intended. As Mr. Produce said before, when you get in a bind, you just want to change the subject. I don't think that anyone has painted the victims as deadbeat criminals at all. Perhaps, you need to read the comments again to get a better understanding. I think that our words were pretty clear and conveyed our thoughts. You don't need to construe or miscontrue anything.

Corner? I'm amazed that cigarettes and booze translate to widespread corruption.
Or that you seem to care more about the poor abusing aid that the government squandering billions.
They're related issues.

Because I didn't. But if it enables us to move on, I'll consider it.

Allen,

Great piece. Don't let these right wing biscuit sucking freaks get you down. They still blame Clinton for all their ills. Poor saps.

Good thing they're in the Minority.

Corner? I'm amazed that cigarettes and booze translate to widespread corruption.
Or that you seem to care more about the poor abusing aid that the government squandering billions.
They're related issues.

Only when they are introduced as the full topic and not one as just a swipe or an afterthought, or to perhaps just stir "stuff".
Cigarettes and booze, taking just a few words, Allen are nothing but a smoke screen for lack of a defense of those you have chosen to defend as if they really deserve more than those in other parts of the Gulf coast. Won't work. Over ruled as irrelevant and immaterial. Lack substance for defense.
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Jim you just show your dang ignorance evertime you show up. No one on here has blamed Clinton for anything that I can read. I am sure I could find a few things to blame him for just as I dang well can find to things blame this administration for and others of the past as well.
Makes no difference to me if they ride on a donkey or an elephant. If they screw up, I ain't afraid to call it what it is. It seems to most of us who read your rants that you can only see one side of an issue. Must be the blinders that you wear.

I'm not sure you've made YOUR case, Mr. Produce.

Well it has been entertaining if nothing more but I think that I will move on. I am growing tired of the rabbit trails that are old and stale.
I remember back when we would take young beagle hounds out for their first field trials. They would soon loose the scent of the real trail and run around in circles and most of the time pick up a scent of an old rabbit trail and then they would begin to run in circles with their noses up in the air , howling as if they were on the real trail. The old dogs just stood by and watched until the young dogs got tired of chasing nothing and then they would attempt to put the pups back on the right trail.

It's been fun Allen. Listen to an old dog. Introduce only one subject and prepare to defend it. Little swipes at the end of article or mid way or where ever will only get you into a mess and you wind up like the young beagles, running in circles.

Allen,

I'm goinmg to take Mr. Produce's lead and move on from this cold trail. But, before I do, there is one parting comment that I would like to leave this discusison with.

No, other than some of the people who committed some illegal or marginally honest things, I don't see any of them as deadbeat criminals. But, the vast majority of these people were victims before Katrina ever hit.

You see, government had victimized these people long ago. Government, and I mean all levels of government, had made these people dependent upon the government itself to take care of and provide for them, so that when the time came for them to do it for themselves, they didn't know how. These people waited for government to come for them and deliver them from danger, and guess what? Government failed to do that which they had always done. The best way for these people to heal is to wean themselves off of the government and learn to provide for themselves.

Sure, there are those that are physically limited or have serious mental problems, and they need government help. But, the problem is that we don't even know which ones they are. So, yes, they are victims, twice. Hopefully, the smart ones wil take control of their lives and make a new start. Or government will surely fail them again next time.

And, as we all know, these poor folks are certainly not responsible for their bad behavior, are they? No siree! It's Society's fault! Or, even better, it's all George Bush's fault!

Let's say a catastrophe on the order of Katrina hits this area and destroys your house. Would you neither expect nor accept government relief?

Allen,

NO. I carry homeowners insurance for that event, just like everyone should do. Why should the government come in after a storm and bail me out? It's my responsibility. Allen, I keep telling you that is a socialistic attitude that the government needs to and will do everything for us.

Now, let me ask you the same question. If a catastrophe hit Greensboro tomorrow, would you expect the government to bail you out? I hope that you are carrying homeowners on your house as well, or you may be very disappointed.

That was the question I asked you. If my house blows away will the goverment give me a new one?

That a yes are no question.
Yes I think that these folks should get needed supplies. I hope my family donated our fair share plus some. Iknow people in this area that have lost their house, I have yet to see anyone get help except from the community and the Salvation Army.

"Let's say a catastrophe on the order of Katrina hits this area and destroys your house. Would you neither expect nor accept government relief?"

I carry homeowners insurance, and if I lived in a high risk area, I would carry flood insurance. OIn addition, I would take responsibility AND THE INITIATIVE to protect myself in anticipation of bad things happening.

If an unforseen disaster overwhelmed me, I would accept government HELP without thinking it was a permanent entitlement. I would take the main responsibility and the initiative to get my life back on track.

I would not purchase drugs, alcohol, adult services, lottory tickets, or post bail bond with the monetary handouts, and I would not trash the temporary housing that was provided for me.

I would also expect my fellow victims to act in a similarly fashion, and I would expect them to suffer consequences for their irresponsible actions if they did not adhere to basic acceptable standards of conduct.

I guess that makes me someone with a bad attitude about the whole situation, doesn't it?

If you have government-assistance recipients who regularly spend our free tax money on drugs, alcohol, adult services, lottery tickets, and bail bonds then why would you be surprised when they spend the Katrina windfall on the same things??

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