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In search of civility

I agree with JR's resolution about more civil comments on blogs.

That's why I am not responding over and over again to some commenters who raise the same issues and ask the same questions they've asked for years on this blog regarding the same school issues.

They probably would benefit, as one commenter complained after they'd hijacked yet another thread, from creating blogs of their own.

There is, after all, plenty of space out there for more.

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Truth said:

Read my lips Allen.

You will not respond because you have been found out. Two faced do as I say not do as I do journalism and personal ethics.

Its as simple as that.

John Gehris said:

If there is civility in using your bully pulpit to editorialize that certain kids must be bused for diversity and then you send your kid to the least diverse school in the county, I'm missing it, and so are alot of other people.

Allen, we don't really expect you to answer. Because we know there is no answer. Just like there is no answer to Marti Sykes voting for diversity then sending her kid to Grimsley when she could have moved him to Smith or Dudley. Same with Alan Duncan and Kris Cooke. If they believed in diversity they could have personally delivered their kids to a more diverse school than Page.

If Dot believed in diversity she could have stayed in the Andrews district where she lived in 1968 when Andrews was created out of the former black highschool Wm. Penn instead of moving to Central High district.

There is no answer other than the obvious which you don't want to talk about, which none of you want to talk about, and we don't blame you. We darn well know there is no answer you can give.

Good Riddance said:

I too agree with JR and AJ. I'm sick of talking about it too. I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick to death of the School Board bullying our kids. I'm so sick in fact that I'm done with the whole lot of them. My child is now in private school. Yes, one more white child gone from High Point.

I'm done. You all have fun now, ya hear?

Skeet Club Savage said:

Allen, here's an idea. You and John get together and make a rule at the paper that the only people who will be allowed to write editorials in favor of "diversity busing" as educational policy, are people who don't have children or people who have actually lived what they are writing about (ie: actually compromised their kids education for an abstract political principle). That way the authors could stay in the abstract, p.c., make-believe "N&R World" and NOBODY has to compromise themselves.

Also it would be great if the N&R would demand the same criteria for members of the schoolboard. This would go long way to promoting harmony in our county.

Nrver Quit said:

All that North High Point wants is to be able to go to the school closests to their home,,,it's that simple....

Southwest High School has been systematically destroyed by the events that have occurred over the last 3 years.

Dot Kearns Busing Agenda has brought students into the school who DO NOT want to be there,,,and shipped students to her beloved Central High,,,who long to return to Southwest,,,in the Process,,, Gutting Southwest of any sense of Community...

This is evident when you go to a Sporting event at Southwest and the visiting teams' fans OUTNUMBER the Home Team...

It is evident in the PTA,,, where Donations have dwindled to near nothing....

It is evident when the students just want their High School Experience to be OVER with.....

Over Christmas, I attended the basketball Tourney in G'boro and was Happy for Dudley High School. They had a COMMUNITY SCHOOL that reminded me of Southwest of old(except Southwest has always been a lot more DIVERSE).

Their Fans were great,,,their cheerleaders brought out the School Spirit,,,The teams played with a sense of pride and Passion...

Not many years ago,,Southwest to had this type of Community involvement,,,but recent decisions by our school board have put an end to this experience.

It was neat to see Alan Duncan cheer for his Daughter,, as her Page High team won the girls Championship,,,,just Imagine if she would have been shipped CROSSTOWN to Smith or Dudley in a Social Experiment to raise test scores or balance Diversity,,,,,I bet Alan would not have sang the same tune on that VOTE....

Living down the street from her High School allows the Duncan Lass a High School Experience that those in High Point will never experience due to the Rape and Pillage of Southwest by a DESPERATE, INCOMPETENT group on our board intent on covering up the mess that they made over a long period of time.

Oh Yes Alan,,,Northwest still knows the sense of Community Schools.

Allen Johnson said:

Savage:
I will remind you that I lived the first busing in 1971 ... as a student. So I know the sacrifice -- and the rewards -- of desegregation firsthand.

just saying said:

Allen, what's the point of saying you are no longer going to have the same debate over and over when, after just six posts, you get roped into the same debate again? Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Allen Johnson said:

Just saying:
You're right. I just broke my resolution. They tempted me and I bit.

Truth said:

Allen, With as much civility as I can muster I say the following:

The big problem here is that the "diversity by swapping" is only being applied in ONE section of the Guliford County community. Now here it comes:

Whether you believe in diversity or not it must be possible to see when only one section is targeted then hate, contempt and a sense of discrmination will breed. Dont you see that?

The N+R should show its morals/ethics and campaign to the school board to implement diversity via swapping for all or nobody.

Gatecity Keeper said:

Allen, if you comment on Carolina Model Railroaders, I promise to keep the strand on topic.

Parent said:

Re Allens comment:

I will remind you that I lived the first busing in 1971 ... as a student. So I know the sacrifice -- and the rewards -- of desegregation firsthand.

$$$$$$$$

After being so fortuneate to have all of this first hand knowledge I am suprised that you live in one of the most richest exclusive areas in GC.
It also has a very good neighborhood school of course. What a huge sacrifice!

Numbersgame said:

Allen,

So by your having lived "the first busing in 1971", you chose for your children not to be bused.

How nice.

I bet the North High Pointers would only want the same courtesy as has been extended to you and your Northwest neighbors.

And, the Page neighborhoods and the Grimsley neighborhoods, and the Dudley neighborhoods, and the Southeast neighborhoods, and the Northern neighborhoods, and the Northeast neighborhoods, and the Ragsdale neighborhoods and the Smith neighborhoods and the.......

John Gehris said:

See Allen, you made a cogent, entirely appopriate response above when you said you were in the first round of busing. This is the kind of info that people need-to hear from people who've lived through this. You didn't turn into dust by responding to us. In fact you're giving us the benefit of your experience.

There's nothing other than your own prejudice to keep you from objectivly expounding on this issue as hinted at by some of the other bloggers and pointing out the diffences like: the above was part of a court-ordered NATIONAL desegregation instead of a local effort by a career politician who wasn't even interested in "desegregating" her whole COUNTY but was interested only in maintaining the property values of herself and her true constituency, by improving the demographics at her neighborhood high school no matter who she had to conscript to do it.

You could have talked to the fact that the school that was serving a white-kid resevoir was a well-functioning school that well well integrated at over 30% minority.

You could have mentioned that the first busing did not involve the use of a selectivly applied lottery at only one school in a county of thirteen highschools.

Although you mentioned once on the blog that this lottery had no public buy-in whatsoever, thus telling the truth to maybe twenty odd people who actually frequent your blog, you could have editorialized on this in the paper and reached maybe a hundred thousand people but you wouldn't.

There are many things a responsbile objective journalist could have discussed about this issue. The N&R consistently, like most of the Greensboro political establishment, has chose to bury their head in the sand on this issue. You know it. I know it. All these "Choice Plan and Alphabet maps were conceived in sleazy back room darkness and never would have stood objective discussion. You know it. I know it.

You, as well as other bloggers are understandably sick of this subject. Try living it. You act as if this is all in the past.
You just ediotorialized three weeks ago in favor of busing. There are people living .6 miles from SW schools that can't go to school there anymore. My neighbors are packing up and moving as soon as they can sell their houses rather than be told by a Dot Kearns where they can go to school. The whole thing is WRONG.

We are sorry that your are sick of it, Allen. I can't help thinking the cover-up and lack of objectivity and candor about this issue has contributed to this situation and therefore you must bear some responsibilty for it yourself.

Skeet Club Savage said:

Allen, I don't know about the other people on this blog, but I'm kind of offended that you essentially admited to "Just Saying" above that you actively ignored people on your blog.

Here I and many others thought you were just busy or something writing your responsible, objective editorials, attending community functions, tutoring in the schools, watching "Snakes on a Plane", and other things etc. and now I see you were actually just ignoring people, who, out of all the blogs in the world, cared enough and thought enough of you to spend some time with you.

Not very nice, really.

Someone might have some soul searching to do.

Allen Johnson said:

I don't mean to offend anyone. I have answered the same questions over and over. The High Point Let's please move on.

Truth said:

Can't move on until we get civility.

Parent@HP.com said:

Allen,

We cant move on. We live this reality. We have friends that are selling houses.
We have friends home schooling. Our children have friends that are sperated from them.
We have kids that dont want to be in our school.
Our school is being flushed down the toilet before our eyes.

We just cant move on. The N+R does doesnt get it!

It's Not Too Late said:

Allen, we are decent people, we think you are a decent person also.

You have to take it to the man, Allen!

Pray with me now.

Lord we come before you tonight to bring a wayward friend and local newspaper columnist Allen Johnson to humbly seek your forgiveness, oh Lord. Although we know that politicians who would mess with people's children to persue their own personal political agenda are as bottom-feeding pond scum on the scale of creatures you have put upon the earth, Lord, and well-meaning, confused newspaper columnists who perhaps out of the nuture of old resentments who would seemingly find common purpose with them and defend them-slightly better, somewhat more akin to surface feeding pond scum, we know that even they are not beyond redemption, Lord.

Please releive Allen's burden, Lord. We know that Mr. Johnson's heart cannot bear much more, Lord.

Please reach into Mr. Johnson's heart and make him see that even should a politician possess the wisdom of Solomon and the compassion of your servant Mother Theresa, this does not confer on them the power, in the USA, to use children over their parents' objection, for their own political purposes.

We don't expect miracles overnight, Lord. Maybe someday he will find the courage to admit he was wrong and will simply admit it. Then maybe, just maybe, everyone can move on.

Thank you,

Amen.

Hail Mary said:

Another topic that the N&R has been quiet about is the comments of Deena Hayes when she used the words "Slaves" and "Slavemasters" when referring to students and a group of parents. She's dispicable and should at minimum make a public apology, even if she doesn't mean it. I mean, even an idiot should see that being on the schoolboard would call for NOT insulting the very children that you supposedly represent.

Anyway, I hear the Rhino is working on a story about her racist, vulgar, dispicable comments but as we would expect, the N&R is hiding behind Santa pictures and editorials about being civil. HA!!!! How ironic is that!!? I know that's poor jounalism and they know it's poor journalism.

Everyone please say another prayer for these inept folks.

John Gehris said:

Mary makes a good point, Allen. If Deena was white and made inflammatory, reckless, racial remarks of this magnitude there'd be an editorial the next day and the entire staff of the N&R would be calling for her resignation.

The woman is clearly insane and the community needs to call for her resignation. To even think there is a woman on the schoolboard who is responsible for the education of children in this county who would liken the high achievers among them to slaveowners is an outrage.

You don't understand how the N&R's silence on these issues speaks volumes. When you let this slide, you lose all credibility, everything you say editorially in the future will be marginalized.

K. Lawrence said:

Not to worry. I have calls in to some National news teams that are not scared of offending Deena. Copies of the school board meeting are being sent. Somebody will have the balls to call her on it.

Allen Johnson said:

On the High Point choice plan:
If this dead horse were a cat, you'd have beaten all nine lives out of it.
On Deena Hayes: I wasn't there to see and hear for myself but I'll look into what she said.

Cowboy's Riding Dead Horses said:

Allen, saw a moving van two blocks down. Think I'll run down and see if the reason they are moving has recently been declared a "dead horse" by resident sage Allen Johnson.

Imagine moving because of Allen's dead horse.

Tucan Sam said:

Don't bother Allen. The Rhino's got the Deena story covered. Get back to your Fruit Loops.

All the Way with Allen J. said:

Just imagine for a moment if common citizens possessed Johnsonian power to declare other people's concerns "dead horses".

One could imagine tons of stuff dropping off the radar screens like the TRC, civil rights museums, Lt. Hinson , David Wray (oops David Wray looks like he really is a dead horse) Skip's Stairwells etc.

Mr. Johnson. You may have started a new trend. A new Guilford co. paradigm.

Hallelujah!

Skeet Club Savage said:

Allen, when you say that you're going to look into what Deena said, are you going to use the same vigor and due diligence as when you looked in the Cor-Mor contracts concerning Deena's live-in S.O. and decided there was no story or no graft there because there is no piece of paper saying they are married?

Just want to prepare myself for the excitement.

Allen Johnson said:

Yes.

just saying said:

You really do struggle with this whole notion of "restraint," don't you Allen?

As someone who is tired of hearing about this "dead horse," I wish you wouldn't stoke the fires.

Held Hostage said:

Deena is UNTOUCHABLE,, and she knows it......

She lives and plays in a County that is afraid to stand up to her RACE CARD ANTICS...

Her biggest fear is that JESSE and Al find out how easy it is to EXTORT the Spineless Leadership of Guilford County, and decide to relocate their ministries to the "Minority Pandering Capitol of the World"....


Trigger Lives!!!!!! said:

Deena,

PLEASE RESIGN,,,,Our School Children deserve Better!

Skeet Club Savage said:

Allen, I'll be all jiggly in anticipation.

Freddy Niché said:

I think the most pertinent part of what you said, Allen, was that the "hijacking" of every thread on so many blogs on the N&R site is what becomes ridiculous. After a while, it appears these bloggers have no ideas they feel able to contribute on any issues beyond their problems with the schools, usually stated in the same language time after time.

I hope civility will begin to surface and we can all agree to have some balance among what topocs are up for discussion.

Allen Johnson said:

Here's the point I was attempting to make:
Let's say you invite guests to a social and one or two of those guests insist on monopolizing the conversation ... relentlessly.
At some point it might be useful to give your own party (as in, perhaps start your own blog).
I'd certainly visit it.
Don't get me wrong. I respect your passion. I simply ask that you respect my blog and the other visitors and commenters who may be interested in issues other than the High Point schools ... or at least in addition to them.

just saying said:

I know you are being nice, Allen, but a more apt analogy would be:

"Let's say you invite guests to a social and one or two of those guests starts jumping up and down on the couch and screaming at the top of their lungs...relentlessly."

Allen, it's past time to ask nicely. It's obvious that this crowd doesn't respect the other visitors and commenters (and, no, I don't care that you feel the school board doesn't respect you. Doesn't give you the right to act this way.)

You, Allen, need to get control of the blog. Ignore these posters when they try to hijack threads. Delete posts that deliberately try to steer unrelated topics down the "same ol' path." Ban repeat offenders from posting here - or institute a registration system that requires a valid name and e-mail address.

Based on the previous 30 comments, just asking for civility obviously isn't working - it's time for some action.

I'll be there said:

Allen,

Thanks for inviting me to your next social. Will this be in your cliquey white neighborhood? Will we talk about the wonderful happenings in your neighborhood's school? Latest test scores? How lucky you are to have an absolutely wonderful school board representative?

I just wish I lived in the same county. Oh wait!.....I do!!!!

PS...Will "just saying" be at the social to spank anybody that gets off topic? Ooooh, sounds yummy!

Truthis(a non hijacker anymore) said:

I think its always healthy to try and look at things from the other sides viewpoint. Being a so called "hijacker" if I look at it from Just's or Freddy's side then I admit that you may find it annoying and I opologise. Many of us hijackers are reasonable people. Really! We are just passionate about our kids and our beliefs that our local community should be able to go to the local school.

Now try and look at it from our side. We are the "only" community in the whole County that is being split up in this way. Allen Johnson and his newspaper in their support of diversity has in NO DOUBT helped empower the school baord to do this. Applying it in High Point ONLY is unfair and as I have tried to say many times this type of concept drives hate and feelings of discrimination. WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE. The crime of child hijacking (or kidnapping) is much worse that hijacking a blog so lets put it in proportion. If this newspaper was just it would come out and say " The High Point Educational model in the whole County or nowhere". Isnt that fair?

I for one am tired of trying to get Allen to see the wrong side of it but he refuses to be civil and admit that this situation is morally wrong.
He prefers to stick to supporting DOUBLE STANDARDS and stay with TWO faced reporting.

Now for two reasons I will stop my hijacking.

1)I am sick of trying to convince him. I will not waste anymore of my life trying to do it. There is no civility here.

2)I will respect the other bloggers who are complaining about us.

One last message for Allen.
I hope you can live with yourself.

Skeet Club Savage said:

Just, like Truth says; you're missing the real hijackers and how the N&R, either out of stupidy, naivete, or mistaking some little 'ol ladies on the schoolboard deciding to be pro-active in changing the demographics at their neighborhood alma mater via hijacking kids from another part of the county against their will and cruelly and ironically calling it a "choice plan", for some type of progressive education policy, aided this effort repeatedly via editorials, biased reporting, and refusing to provide any critical analysis of the plan such as would be expected from a real daily newspaper.

When the initially designed "lottery" failed for obvious practical and humanistic reasons that were apparent to anybody with half a brain from the get-go, and it became apparent the schoolboard would proceed to punish these same people by an arbitrary re-districting which has made public education in High Point worse instead of better, instead of re-deeming themselves, the N&R was there once again to exhort the schoolboard to "Keep on shaftin'".

We know that there is no way you are going to get this. This fight has been going on for almost eight years now. It didn't start yesterday. We apoplogize.


Skeet Club Savage said:

...Continuing Just, if you'll notice there has never been a single "outcomes" look at these programs published in the N&R. There has never been a solitary, in-depth objective follow-up article in the N&R and for good reason what they editorialize has been an abject, unequivocal failure. They know it.

The only halfway-objective, indepth look at the 'choice plans" and redistricting aftermath was actually published by a weekly-The Yes Weekly. This is an outrage! Other than hijacking a blog there is no other way to reach or engage these people.

Roch101 said:

I've seen the term "bloggers" used above to apply to people who COMMENT on other blogs. They, like me, are commenters, not bloggers. Bloggers have a blog. They also have the ability to set the tone and choose the topics, which sounds like it might benefit some of the commenters here who are frustrated with this blog's author.

One can start a free blog in three minutes (no kidding) at www.blogger.com. Once you've started one, be sure to add it to Greensboro101 so the larger community will know what's on your mind.

Lost'n Austin said:

Happy New Year Skeet,

The N&R obviously takes orders directly from Action Greensboro, who could give a Rats' Ass about High Point or its' schools,,,throw in the fact that Grier is Melvins' Jockey Boy, and the reasons become real Clear why High point continues to get the SHAFT.

Also,,,I saw where the G'Boro Coliseum made a nice gesture by holding a Social for the poor students from Eastern Guilford who have been split up by the recent act of ARSON that destroyed their School...

My question is, when will the G'Boro Coliseum hold a Social for the poor students in High Point who have been split up by an act of Social Injustice by our school board?????

and one more thing,,,with no arrest for the arson at EG,,,I wonder if targeting the students as suspects might be barking up the wrong tree?????

Maybe a look from a Higher viewpoint might speed up matters....

Grier Ended Again said:

Lostn'austin.

They already did. They were called "public hearings". They had them at several places around town like Penn Griffin and Providence Place, Northwest etc. They were actually kind of masqerade things, where most of the boardmembers masqueraded that they gave a solitary s---. The problem was they ended up slipping quite a few of us some roofies and we woke up the next morning finding it hard to walk.

Parent said:

Allen, you can request a dub of the last school Board meeting via the website below IF you are interested about Deena's warped comments.

http://www.gcsnc.net/schoolTV/dub_request.aspx

Eric Huey also has some interesting comments on his site
http://www.hueyforguilfordschoolboard.org/

Click on the blog section.

Civil said:

Allen, this is FOR YOU TOO!!!!!!!!

PLEASE THE NOTE THE PART ABOUT CHILDREN AND TRY AND BE COMPASIONATE ABOUT THOSE FROM POOR HIGH POINT.

$$$$$$$$$$

Why doesn't the N&R try abiding by a little bit of the following code of conduct:

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's principles and standards of practice.


Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:

— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
— Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
— Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
— Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
— Never plagiarize.
— Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
— Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
— Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
— Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
— Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
— Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.

Journalists should:

— Show compassion for those who may be affected adversely by news coverage. Use special sensitivity when dealing with children and inexperienced sources or subjects.
— Be sensitive when seeking or using interviews or photographs of those affected by tragedy or grief.
— Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance.
— Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone’s privacy.
— Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
— Be cautious about identifying juvenile suspects or victims of sex crimes.
— Be judicious about naming criminal suspects before the formal filing of charges.
— Balance a criminal suspect’s fair trial rights with the public’s right to be informed.


Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know.

Journalists should:

—Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
— Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
— Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
— Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
— Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
— Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.


Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.

Journalists should:

— Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.
— Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.
— Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
— Expose unethical practices of journalists and the news media.
— Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.


The SPJ Code of Ethics is voluntarily embraced by thousands of writers, editors and other news professionals. The present version of
the code was adopted by the 1996 SPJ National Convention, after months of study and debate among the Society's members.

Sigma Delta Chi's first Code of Ethics was borrowed from the American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1926. In 1973, Sigma Delta Chi
wrote its own code, which was revised in 1984, 1987 and 1996.

***** End of Cut & Paste ******


Civil said:

Allen , here are just some of the parts where I feel that you are non compliant as far as the the High Point situation is concerned.

— Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.**I am talking about today not 30 years ago.

— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.

— Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.

-Be Accountable:Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.

— Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.

— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.

Allen Johnson, I pronounce you guilty of being a non Journalist. You should resign immeadiately.


Allen Johnson said:

I viewed a clip of the comments Thursday and also picked up a videotape of the full meeting, which I have not yet viewed. Finally, I have spoken to Ms. Hayes and plan a follow-up interview today after viewing the tape.
A post is on the way, sooner, I hope, rather than later.

John Gehris said:

Civil, strong work!

I challenge Mr. Johnson, Mr Robinson, Mr. Saul to read these, look us in the eye, and tell us these criteria were met on the busing issue or the no-bid contract issue (AKA: The FDF Program- Feed Deena's Friends)in Guilford County over the last three years.

A reader said:

Wow!

That's all I can say after reading this strand. THIS is what uncensored blogs can do. Attempts at quieting your readers/commenters Allen, would be a huge mistake. LOOK at the journalistic talent of your readers. They ARE your "contituents"...you MUST hear them no matter how hard it is. Would you be looking into the harsh words of Deena Hayes had it not been for the persistence of your commenters?--on a "NON-SCHOOL" thread, no less?

Allen, your New Years' Resolution should be to be a bit more tolerant and patient with your commenters--NOT silencing them. Seriously, maybe journalism is not for you.

just saying said:

Allen and the N&R have been more than tolerant and patient. The problem is that there is a small but vocal group that hijacks every thread, shouts down differing opinions and bullies other commenters.

In every walk of life, there have to be rules. You can't walk into a store, jump on the counter and scream at the top of your lungs at other customers, then wonder why the store owner isn't being "tolerant and patient" when he asks you to leave.

Allen has been more than willing to listen to his readers. All he's saying is that a little civility isn't too much to ask. I hope you stick to this resolution, Allen - the rest of us would like to have a say, too.

Civil said:

Just,
I think bullying on a blog is a bit over the top.

Abit of a pain, yes, probably.

As someone has already said dont compare blog hijacking to the hijacking of your children.

Try it sometime and see how you feel.

What You Saying said:

Quick guys, let's go over to Just's house, force him to sign-on his computer and go to the N&R web site to AJ's "Thinking Out Loud, Posssibly To Yourself, If I Consider Your Entry A Deadhorse" blog site.

Not sure what you're saying Just. Are you saying that you have a constituitonal right to go onto any blog and not get bored by ding-dongs going on about some subject or other. You must be leading a sheltered life or have not done much blogging and you're blogging possibilities must be extremely limited.

just saying said:

I think you know what I'm saying, but I'll spell it out just in case.

No one has a right to post on this or any other blog. It's private property controlled by the N&R and as such, they get to set the rules. Allan has said he's tired of having every thread hijacked by the same old song and dance.

As the owner of this blog, he has the right to set the rules. I'm just encouraging him to stick by them

And no thanks, I'd rather not have the NHP gang over at my house. You see, I have this aversion to cross-burnings and white sheets.

Skeet Club Savage said:

Just, just when you had some credibility going on you had to go and declare and disqualify yourself.

As they say on the one game show....Goodbye....

just saying said:

Savage, 1997 called - and they want their one-liner back.

Skeet Club Savage said:

Got my tense wrong. Should have said "said".
Sorry, Just. In the "Just Saying's Book of Blog Etiqutte" is that as much a sin as hijacking?

Skeet Club Savage said:

Wait, a minute. I just said good bye to you and now I'm talking to you again.
Oh, no. Allen Johnson's rubbing off on me.

Civil said:

Just says,

BAD,BAD,BAD!

Frankly, you DIGUST me.

just saying said:

Wait, a minute. I just said good bye to you and now I'm talking to you again.
Oh, no. Allen Johnson's rubbing off on me.
_____________

That's funny. You actually seem like a decent fellow, Savage - I don't consider you one of the one-note crowd.

But you say Allen Johnson is rubbing off on you? Don't let your neighbors see that - you won't be allowed back in North High Point!

GTGOH said:

Thank you "just saying" for showing your true colors. Like I've heard a billion times on this and other blogs, when a commenter is at a dead end, they throw race into the mix.

Just saying, please visit "NHP", they have black folk. Is that what you were alluding to?--that NHP is lily white and they want to keep it that way? No sir (ma'm). You're confusing the NHPers with Dot Kearns and the Emorywood folk. That is EXACTLY what started this whole mess.

Also "just saying", You're starting to bore me and you've basically hijacked this thread with your self-righteous blabberings. Go away and don't come back till you can say, "get Grier outta here".

Parent said:

Just Saying,

I think what you wrote above is really bad and I would like you to explain why you link NHP people to the KKK?

WHere does that leave you? How do you feel now you have written that? Any decent person would regret it. I demand an opology.

Harmony Hollow said:

Just saying,

North High point is probably the most DIVERSE area in Guilford County.

In my Neighborhood alone we have:

Blacks
Whites
Hispanics
Asians
Africans
Italians
British(he's a little odd but we'll keep him)
Pakistani
Eastern European
American Redneck
Christians
Jews
Muslims
Gays
Damn Yankees
Bi-Racial Couples

Just Saying,

much to your surprise everyone gets along pretty well,,,No Shootings,,,No Cross Burnings,,,No Bomb Plots,,,No Goat Sacrifices,,,

the biggest excitement in this neighborhood is when the American Redneck has a Barrel fire in the middle of his Driveway.

Just Saying,,,Get on Board the PEACE TRAIN, BABY!!!!!

Civil said:

He's not British. He's bloody English!

Allen Johnson said:

What Ed Cone said:

"Life is too short to repeat again and again what's already plain to see in posts and comments, to answer ad hominems, to recap major news stories that anyone serious about the conversation already knows about, etc. Comments are welcome, criticism is a given, debate is encouraged, and anyone can continue the endless strings as they wish. Just don't look for me to keep playing."

Skeet Club Savage said:

Allen, we'd never expect that. Just like on the editorial page. Make your pronouncements. Take off. Go to the movies. If what you wrote hurts or compromises somebody, no biggie. Let's see-your own kid safely ensconsed at NW Guilford-a good school in a wealthy area-Check. And let's see, all the white Greensboro schoolboardmembers kids present and accounted for at Page, Grimsley with no busing coming their way? Check.

You did your duty. Check. You paid your lip service to the N&R's liberal stance. Check. You did your best to protect the Action Greensboro/ Terry Grier/ Guilford Education Alliance axis' interests. Check.

I can still remember three years ago now, when your editorial quoted something to the effect "this choice plan we no doubt meet resistance from many quarters but the schoolboard must stand firm" or some such.

In the end, the only people you f#@%$ed are some yokels from the next town, and after all, it was two schoolmarms from their own town who started the orgy in the first place. Don't worry about it. Some people are just unlucky.

You're clear.

Take your leave.

Sleep well, sweet prince.

Truth said:

Just Saying,

I admitted that we, the NHPters, were probably a pain to some and said I would stop hijacking Allens blogs. Now you aliken me and my neighbors to the KKK. You are SCUM! End of story. I might be a pain on blogging terms but with your comment you prove that on human terms that you are just plain old SCUM!
Have a nice life with Allen.

Run for the Border said:

Warning from the High Point Welcome Wagon:

If you are a new Resident of High Point and have school age children,,,be on the Alert...

In recent years, the Guilford County school System has lost over 400 Caucasian Students in the High Point High Schools.

These students have either relocated to a nearby county, gone to private school or started a home school program,,all due to a Socialist Experiment led by school board member Dot Kearns.....

As new residents in High Point,,,,you must beware to the fact that she may be targeting your child as Replacement parts for her on going Lab Work.

Please Beware,,,YOUR CHILD MAY BE NEXT!!!!!!!!

Reporter said:

Allen

I want to see if you have the BALLS to report honestly about Deena and her comments.

I wonder what excuse you will give this poor discriminated girl?

E.C. Huey said:

Good weekend to you all.

If you view previous statements (and blog entries) I have made on my website (www.hueyforguilfordschoolboard.org), you will see that I am very clear: Deena's comments were out of line. What's even more uncanny is that the Board didn't (and still has not) called her on the carpet for her disgusting remarks.

This, along with Dot's failing redistricting experiments, lack of discipline in our schools, money continuously being wasted downtown, etc., proves new leadership is needed on our Board. If you care about public education in Guilford County as I do, join me and join the fight to take back our Board.

E.C. Huey
candidate, 2008 Guilford Co. Brd. of Ed. (at-large)

quest said:

Allen,

Today's editorial is about the disgraceful and inexcusable graduation rate of 63% in Guilford County schools.

I don't know if you wrote it or not, but please tell me how to post comments on that editorial. I certainly don't wish to hijack this strand for that purpose.

Allen Johnson said:

I do and we'll see.

quest said:

What??

Reporter said:

Quest, Alan was replying to me.

Yes he has the balls to report honestly and he'll see what excuse he can come up for her.

Estimator said:

..small balls...big excuse....no doubt.

Truth said:

Nice job on the Editorial Allen.

On another note I just left my daughter at the cinema. She met her friends. In total five Girls, three from one school two from another. They went through elementary and middle together and were then seperated at High School by Dot Kearns. I couldnt help but reflect and draw a parallel to the Eastern reunion party that was reported last week by this Newspaper.

Our story was never news for this paper but I cant help but ask myself whats the difference?

Kunta said:

You're a slavemaster. That's the difference, Truth.

Ray Davies Fan said:

Allen, I'm beginning to see why you may have trouble empathizing with some real, actual, good HP people, given your penchant for spending a good part of you life at the cinema. Heard a song on the Buzzard today. Old Kinks song. Starting to make sense.

Everyone is a hero everyone's a star,
Everyone's in movies, doesn't matter who you are.

There's a star on every corner, in every house on every street.
And if you walk down Hollywood Boulevard
Their names are in concrete.

You can see all the stars as you walk down Hollywood Boulevard.
Some you can recognize, some you've never even heard of.
Celluloid heroes never have any pain...
Celluloid heroes never really die...

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