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The facts surrounding the Howerton shooting (which do not appear in your article) paint a different picture. You have the facts at hand, I don't need to remind you that how you portray the incident will affect how those who may not even have been out of diapers when this tragedy occurred reply to your post.
If the citizens want a Police Review Board, then so be it. GPD officers, acting in the line of duty, have shown remarkable restraint when force has been necessary.
Then again, the officers were officially cleared.

I think David Wray may just be practicing the old adage "if you can't beat em, join 'em". Whether you're talking real estate or race scams, when you have a TREBIC / Race agenda-dominated council/ mayor/ mgr. axis it's all about the Benjamins. Whether you're talking C-Dry or EEOC...

PEEPS JUST GOTSTA GET PAID!

Nelson on the other hand may have been acting on principle alone, so hats off to him.

Still I wonder, Savage: You live in High Point. Why does the GPD issue resonate so strongly with you?

Howerton was a stark raving lunatic, nude at noon in a populated area attacking people with a butcher knife. The police officers, neither of whom was WHITE, used deadly force as a last resort to prevent citizens from being killed or gravely wounded. Lives were saved that day by two brave officers who faced death to protect our citizens.
Why does the N&R have to misrepresent, twist, and distort everything in a racial slant? Why can't you guys just tell the truth without bias?
Didn't you learn anything about telling the truth when it comes to the GPD in the wake of the Lorraine Ahearn crucifixion of Chief Wray?

JC, what twisting about the Howerton incident do you refer to? I believe the police did the right thing in that case. Howerton was a threat to himself, the officers and innocent bystanders.
And he was clearly not in a rational frame of mind.

Because it doesn't seem to with you, Allen. So people try and fill the vacum.

Savage:
It's a big deal with me ... an important issue. But it does not consume me.
There are hours of the day when I'm actually not t thinking about it.

Rest assured, that's quite apparent, Allen.

If you can show me a single incidence where you expressed even a modicum of concern or reservation/ trepidation or been cautionary or challenging in the least re: EEOC suits, the record disposal hoax, Mitch's actions in handling the Wray affair, the shifting realities and outright dishonesty re multiple subjects, record requests etc., show me. Please show me!

If I remember right, you did question the "non-hiring freeze hiring freeze".

If you can show me where you took council members to task for making outrageous statements, gems like: "it doesn't matter how we pay for things, we might not be alive tomorrow" or "it doesn't matter if we paid more for a property than it's appraised value because the city always does it this way".

At no time did the N&R persue any of these subjects with the passion and fervor that was evident in the original Wray series. What's good for the goose has to be good for the gander or else people are going to write you off as an agenda drive agit/prop rag.

Allen, people are trying to help you. Do you think this is fun?

Savage:
You and I go round and round on this.
We have compiled an archive on all the Wray coverage.
You can have a look yourself. I, frankly, don't have time to dig into our archives every time you pull an allegation out of the air without yourself first checking to see if it holds water.
Help yourself. Then we can talk.
I'll post the link to the archive when I get to work later this morning.
As for your status as someone who neither relies on Greensboro police for protection nor pays taxes here, I still am amazed by your interest in the city's affairs.

Allen -

I think you have the impression that the relatively small group of people who continue to bring up issues like the GPD/Wray issue, Mitch Johnson, Pulpit forum, Hinson & Fulmore, etc are the only people in town who feel so strongly about these issues.

I am sure that's not the case.

I believe the majority, though largely silent, think exactly the same way people like Skeet, Guarino, Spag and others do and I thank them for keeping the pressure on and keeping these issues in the light.

I am disgusted with the way Wray was treated and strongly believe that your paper, and one reporter in particular, created that whole mess. I am sickened by the current state of GPD which allows bad cops to remain on staff. I believe Mitch Johnson is in way over his head and should have been terminated a long time ago. I am mystified at the way your paper, and the city of Greensboro, pander to one race of people on any and all political issues. I am angry at the way one demographic is allowed to rob people and businesses in this area without the local leaders of that demographic uttering a word on the issue.

I've lived here 30 years now and i can tell you that Greensboro is a complete mess right now and the only light at the end of the tunnel appears to be a train.

Allen,

I, too, am not a resident of Greensboro - I lived several hundred yards outside of the city, but I shop, dine, and in general, spend nearly all of my waking hours in Greensboro.

Just because I don't pay Greensboro city taxes doesn't mean I don't have a vested interest in the manner in which the police department and city are governed.

I expect an excellent police force to protect me when I am within Greensboro city limits - should I expect less because I'm not a resident?

Allen, show me an editorial where you even gently castigated any of the above mentioned characters? I'm not talking about straight reportage.

Allen, it is funny why you would take a provincial view of why somebody can't have an interest in a race-railroad issue who deosn't live in G-Boro?
Pre-occupation with people's idenities and where they live is a weak, last ditch effort to impugn what they are saying that you and JR employ ad-infinitum when you can't impugn what they are saying any other way.

On a more practical note, is the latest G-Boro police officer arrested for an assualt on a woman inthe paper today a signatory of the EEOC complaint? Looks like there was a similar name listed? Not that that would be relevant, of course.

I just provided a link to the archived coverage in a new post.

Again, Allen, I was kind of talking about editorials. Like above, about the protest petition, where you take a firm position. That's what we're talking about. Thanks for providing the link.

ie: To this day, i don't have any idea of what you think about the latter revelations about the black book. Mitches flip/flop on the black book, the EEOC, the record disposal hoax, council members saying nothing matters because we're going to die, and on an on and on. Your silence gives the appearence that you either aren't interested or are biased.

As for your status as someone who neither relies on Greensboro police for protection nor pays taxes here, I still am amazed by your interest in the city's affairs.

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Allen, I remember you having a real rooting interest in the dreaded High Point school choice plan a few years back. But you don't live in High Point, do you?

But Anonymous is right. Police protection isn't a strictly provincial issue. Many people who don't live in Greensboro proper still work, shop and/or dine in in the city on a regular basis and, thus, are directly affected by the quality of police service in Greensboro.

That is true. I don't live in High Point. Never have.
But a significant chunk of our readers do live in High Point. We feel an obligation to write and report for them, too.
In addition, a member of our editorial board, who contributes to discussions and editorials about High Point, does live there.
Another was managing editor of the High Point Enterprise for years.

And that's fine - I'm glad you do write about High Point. But why knock Savage (or anyone else) for taking an interest in Greensboro affairs?

That was my whole point, not that the N&R should or shouldn't write about High Point issues.

Allen Johnson grew up across the street from the Phillips Avenue TVGrill. He knows better than anyone, young Howerton dropped out of college to become a PCP-crack head. Parents(Barber-Howerton) cannot accept their sons became, not their little lambs, but dangerous destroyers while on PCP or CRACK. Rev. Nelson Johnson makes hay out of solving socal ills. Nelson needs to stop crack and tell the truth. Christine