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Yeah, that's pretty manipulative in a pretty serious kind of way. There's the eye-batting Lil' Rascals kind of scams, then there's thinning someone's wallet to take someone to a show they think's the real thing.

But, then again, good food's the real deal - especially when you've been eating out of cans for a month straight. It could be a function of growing up, I s'pose - where financial situations (hopefully) get more solid and you're not as desperate to get to get good grub.

I don't know if moral bankruptcy can ever be cute, but sometimes the stomach needs some love, too.

A) I don't have that kind of wallet to be used, so there's no reason for me to despise you.

B) If you, or any other woman, ever goes out on a date with me for the purpose of harvesting my organs, then I will have a problem with being used in that manner.

That's true - if you, like me, don't have the scratch, the whole used-for-food scenario doesn't really ever come up.

And my eyes, like Ferris Bueller's, are going to Stevie Wonder.

If most fellas have money to spend, they will. Sometimes they will even if they don't.

And if they don't mind paying, who cares?

We're foolish. Even if we know that we're being had, we'll go along with it.

What bothers me more is the expectation that I should pick up the tab.

lets flip the script. If an older woman wanted to take me to a 3 course italian dinner, I would go; maybe even do a little bit of dancing. At that point, I think I'd be classified as an escort though.

Funny thing, Wingfella.

Though I'm not above accepting a date invite for the food - particularly when I know the guy has the cash and I'm likely not the only girl in his date book - I'd say I'm pretty equitable about picking up the tab when I'm really into someone.

I don't think guys should always have to pay - and I've never read anywhere that men, by virtue of being male, are somehow gifted with endless cash to spend on women.

When I'm dating someone, I usually try to have a back-and-forth when it comes to paying. You buy dinner Friday, I'll get breakfast Sunday. And most guys seem OK with that.

But I've dated a few guys who refused to let me pay. They acted like I insulted their masculinity if I volunteered to pick up or split the check. That made me realize that it's not just chicks who have strange expectations about who pays.

And for the record: I draw the line at organ-harvesting.

lol organ-harvesting. such a nice way to put it.

In my opinion,you're the typical low-class user b*tch. Your a parasite who justifies her dishonesty, implying that you felt sorry for yourself eating bland, unhealthy and boring food alone, so you decided to hit-up on a guy with a fat wallet and big ego. Oh, please!!! Still trying to justify your actions by implying that they were self-absorbed jerks with too much money, anyway. In my opinion, you sound like the typical plebian socialist, wanting a redistribution of the wealth, not based on merit but just because you think you're entitled to it.

I would say you're in the perfect profession to further leverage your unpopular beliefs on the rest of us.

I dunno, Derek. Calling it socialism might be taking it a little too seriously.

I can understand where you're coming from. And I respect that, though not necessarily your word choice.

What's interesting is how many women I know in big cities who truly do live off the date-to-eat plan. It's not something I'd recommend to anyone, but it also doesn't seem that crazy to me when you're spending more than 2/3rds of your salary on rent.

And I feel like a socialist would stress a more even breakdown when it came to picking up the check.

Ginger, just to clarify,I wasn't stating that her ploy was socialism. I was attempting to state that her attitude of entitlement was very much in line with the concept the most socialists seem to believe.

A whore goes with the highest bidder

hey derek,

are you saying men have never used dinner or their money to lure girls into what they want? give me a break alls fair

If you can get a 50 dollar plate out of a man and he barely knows you, imagine what the girl he does not treat like a stupid chic trying to get a meal is getting, probably more than 50 dollars. It makes me laugh how a female will do this. I may have been fooled with this too. But I was just trying to get her in the sheets. If she was smart she would get more than a dinner date. I guess some women are easy to please. ha ha

So the male consensus here seems to be going out with a guy for the meal is a sneaky, underhanded thing to do. I can appreciate that criticism.

And I totally get it.

But Hova, if you're just taking a girl out with the expectation of getting laid, how is that possibly any better? Either way, isn't it using someone for your own ends?